I don't know yet I will try to talk to bill tonight we need to get together and put in his flywheel/clutch soon before time gets tight.

Time is tight now, for me anyway..... Leaving in a week for CA for 2 weeks, and as of right now there's 45 days left, and 25 left when I get back..... not that I have a calender on my wall or anything :rofl:

So Bill is deadset on chasing down that 194 huh? :lol:

Yeah he is after it... then has his sights set on you with his FC if it ever gets done. I need to get my FB moving and shoot for 350-400 rear-end shredding/grenading horsepower

Damn you all.

I plan to get up to OG racing next weekend to grab some fluids for the trans, brakes and diff on the rx8. I need to order up the rear trans seal too.. .than I can get the clutch/flywheel in and beat down that 194whp,lol.


The FC will dominate, lol... still looking at other potential engines even though I have the REW...

What the hell are you doing out here for 2 weeks?

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I'm not worried about his FC... by the time he's got that thing rolling, let alone moving under it's own power I'll have the FC done, the 'vert done, and then redone with boost, the FD done and you and I will be going back and forth with 400+ rwhp boosted FB's :rofl:

I dunno.... 7 rwhp from a flywheel??? it's possible... what was Dave saying he kept on getting with those? I think it was 7-9. Regardless it'll be fun. I think he needs to change out those shitty GM coils... good thing he's not reading this thread :smilielol5:


Oh wait.... ooops ;)

You guys gotta lemme know when you're heading up there. I should have the FC running by the 15/16th... and I gotta get down there anyway to muck around with this damn tranny some more


Takes more than an engine to dominate.... gearing adds so much acceleration it's frightening, and gearing is something we've almost got down, ..... as does traction control, and launch control... and boost vs gear, boost vs TPS, etc etc.... it's a good thing Haltech is on the cutting edge :smilielol5:

Someone in DHS is calling in the big cockgun :rofl: So you've been given fair warning and fair amount of time to get yer ass down to DHS.... I suspect I'll be there from 3/20 to 4/2. That's the plan as of now.

Mmmm they look better then I ever could have imagined!

Dave said he sees about 5 hp from the flywheel so its close I may have to uncork my exhaust by removing the cat if it is too close,besides it was my first dyno with the rx8 and its my DD not a running project/moneypit that is what the FB(Fu*king Broke) and FD(Financial Disaster) are for

i wasnt refering to your car anyways, but if you have it already then why say you need another one? almost all the systems on the FC are independent of each other, if you get a stand alone the CC wont even realize it

but dont quote me on that, the FC has been known to have retarded wiring, with things that are not needed being there and other things being MIA and on and on....ive found connectors i still have no clue what use they may have had :lol:


idk we will see how the funds go, the biggest thing left is finding a good price on the turbo i want, so far the best number i found was 1480 shipped, im still doing some digging to see if anyone can beat that

only time will tell

hahaha i have so much fun with CC, i feel like im david hasselhoff and i have the KIT car whenever you go up a hill the car enters boost on its own

i always find myself saying "thank you kit" :lol:

barrels of fun


btw brian, you can still get mazda comp stuff right?

:rofl: I'd say something about the cobb, but I don't know where to start! There's got to be more you can do than uncork the exhaust.... Damn, if we could play with timing... you could definately take it up a notch...This instigating is fun :)

Why don't you have an FC?

They are sexy. thanks man! But not really.... cuz now I need to polish the tips

In the S4 world. I've seen that most of them are pretty much the same. The only difference that I've seen is in the rear harness, some have the rear window wiring, some don't, but as far as I remember, the front and EM harnesses are all the sameeeeeeee.... eeeeeee save the obvious n/a turbo differences.

sooooooo, you'll be running down to Deals on twins then?

:smilielol5: Builds boost on it's own.... at least it still works.

The one thing with installing them in the FC with a standalone, where to get the required signals? I would do a Hall Effect sensor off the driveshaft personally, or some other way other than tapping into the ignition system.


Don't think so. You can usually setup an account before you've finished your car if you think you're going to race.

He doesn't want an FC because there would be no point to building a car.. he'd already have the perfect one.

I would like to play with the timing some on the cobb with the GM coils. I actually took some of Dave's adjustment and built a new map for the rx8 as well. When we go back up for the dyno, I'll run it on the stock tune (which we proved was by far the best thus far) and then again with the new map and see where we are. I dont want to dive into tuning the timing at that point, I'd rather get some more monitoring in place (EGT, etc) before getting too far into it.

Anyway... sorry for the thread jack. Actually, I'm not. Without thread jacks, this would just be another boring turbo swap FC build thread that nobody really pays attention to and is only destined to end as they all do with the owner scrapping the whole idea and going V8 :)

[QUOTE=TitaniumTT;143470]:rofl: I'd say something about the cobb, but I don't know where to start! There's got to be more you can do than uncork the exhaust.... Damn, if we could play with timing... you could definately take it up a notch...This instigating is fun :)

Why don't you have an FC?


Had a FC at one time it was a bare-bones '86 no sunroof,steel wheeled,aluminum hood car fun to drive but wasn't my style I sold it for a profit and bought FB parts. I've always loved the FB's lines more than the FC.

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eeeeehhhhhh..... I think you're just waiting till you have some more time/coin to dump into the ole' 8 chasing that elusive 195... I think I was doing that with 2 puked turbo's ;)

haahahahahahaahahahaaa..... A) y'all know I would never do a v8 into an FC.... I would swap out for a cosworth, or some exotic boosted 4 clyinder, or a v6 twin turbo... but never an LS.... see below

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...1&d=1300157981

2nd.... more importantly.... AT LEAST MY THREAD GETS REGULAR UPDATES!!!!!!1 :smilielol5:

Steel wheeled? Not stock were they?

I thought the exterior lines of the FD>FC>FB but interior was FD>FB>FC bang for the buck..... well.... none :rofl:

I wonder if LS1's have exhaust sleeve issues:dunno:




















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Touche

Yeah well......................................... at least the blocks are still worth rebuilding when they give it up on a rotary. Show me an LS that can be put back together in a week with a $200 o-ring kit and $160 worth of machining and still put down near 400hp

:grouphug:

bought my tickets so I'll see you in a little over a month. yeah, yeah - I know flying its for pussies. :driving:

COOL!! As long as you get there I guess. Looks like I'll be picking someone up from CA @ JFK and driving down with him....

yea but their vast differences in that harness, which btw after studying the fsm i swear ive found plugs that arent even in the book, it makes no sense

idk man, i wanna go but shits kinda weird with everyone, theirs like little weird stuff goin on, makes things really uncomfortable

but thats not the real thing that would stop me, its all about the money mang, spare funds aint lookin to big at the moment and ive got a lot on my plate, if things simmer down by then i can see myself making it

well it used to do that, there taking the slow dump so currently their lag monsters and break up on high end so no KIT car for me now :(

i miss it oh so much

KIT COME BACK!!!!! lol

well i know for the fd it uses the spedo sensor and the NSS, idk about the fc since i never had...well anything on that car

i would imagine since CC came on the higher end models that it gets the signal somewere from one of the VSS since at least the s4 uses a real spedo cable, i dont think it would use that

but really thats all you would need to make it a closed system since it has its own little module...unless mazdatrix has been lying to us all these years :smilielol5:


damn, Dave said mazda comp diff mounts for the FD were the best ones to get and you were the only person i could think of that could get them..i gotta figure this out

idk man, if i had the bank i would love to throw a v8 in the ol FC..just not an LS

have you ever heard a 360 modena's 3.6l v8 scream? pure sex

ohhh man i used to have those phone dials...god aweful

:o21: FD pwns lol

you know its funny you guys brought that up, i always hear this battle about which is better and what not

but i realized after talking with my bosses at my new job that it all kind of evens out in the long run, my boss said that to build his engine how he wants it to make good power would cost him around 30k on just engine related expenses

where i may blow my engine a lot sooner, but i can make power to keep a close race with his car and still have money to rebuild mine at least 3 times with that much money :lol:

Yep the steelies on the FC were stock it was an odd car and pretty early production date IIRC the car didn't even have storage bins or power steering the only thing the car had was cold A/C and radio I dont remember if it had a tape deck or not.

On the CC for the FC I think it is like a FB and the cruise control box recieves its signal through the speedometer in the cluster so without it the system won't work.

What? Seriously? PM some stuff... that shut pisses me off.

Yeah, don't make the same mistake as me and head out fi you think they're getting ready to puke.... just ain't work swapping turbo's like that. Good news is, if they do puke, BNR is closer than home.... get a little stage 3 on :rofl:

That aftermkt Rostra unit can take just about any speed type sensor. Ignition pickups, speed pickups, halleffect sensors mounted on the driveshaft... whatever. The one problem I have, is the controls are sinfully ugly.

Mazdatrix or racing beat? I can probably get you a number for them and then throw it into the comp at a regular Mazda-Dealership?

Assuming you could get one, do you know how much sex you could buy with about $30k? I'm assuming about $20k for the engine

Watch it, my FC came with those phonedials back in the day

For that coin I could have a 700bhp n/a 4 rotor that would kick his little LS's ass

What are we gonna do about these wiper switchs?

Seriously? No storage bins and no rear seats... stocker steel wheels.... I'm intriguerd.

I believe it recieves the needed signal off the ignition system. I think the speedo/OD on the FC was all cable driven.

I could be wrong though. Never had cruise, thought about putting it on, grabbed the parts from a pick-'n-pull back in the day, still have them, just never put them on.... now I can't

Why not just modify the stock system to use the Rostra unit? That's my plan anyways.

Either that or use an output for a linear actuator for use on the throttle body directly from the ECU. Just need to get the output right to maintain the speed.

Linear actuators generally require multiple outputs, I wouldn't waste them on an ECU even if the ECU had the capability, which I've never seen one have. The Rostra unit looks like it's totally self-contained, so why mess with it? Give it power, gnd, and a signal and it should be ready to roll.

I know you'll be running a non-stock tb, but wouldn't it be easier to adapt the cable to the tb than go through all the hassles involved with making electronics work together? Ideally the cable would be shorter, and all you'd need is a swedge in the proper spot and you're good to go.... no?

Yea, I wouldn't fuck with the stock and trying to hack it together to work with the ecu. Keep it seperate, keep it clean, and it should work better. Their kits are very well put together from what I saw.

Eh, it's a long ways off yet. I have other, more important things to deal with before I even get to that step (I've put in a request for Haltech to be able to use the stepper motor function as a cruise control, I don't know how many inputs it will take to use the stock control).

Stock cruise control is a seperate unit. Feed it a speed or RPM signal and it should work like stock.

Can Haltech even do a DBW?

The stock cruise control unit I had ran off vacuum and input from a switch (I don't even think it ran through a computer, but if it did, I doubt it would be good enough now).

I don't know what DBW is. The Haltech has built in stepper motor control (something I have no need of right now, but can be used later for closed loop control of variable length runners ;) or cruise control if they implement the feature)

DBW = Drive By Wire

No. They do not have DBW (yet). Though I imagine it's would not be that hard to implement in the first place. It would be nothing more than accepting an input from a potentiometer and then outputting that input to a stepper motor (it would also eliminate a TPS).

Not entirely. The DBW system needs feedback. It can't assume that it knows where the throttles at based on where the stepper motor SHOULD be. Think Prius runaways. So there is the stepper motor and then a seperate integrated TPS on most DBW systems.

The input is just a potentimeter though.

Once again MoTeC > Haltech :rofl: ;)

Yea... our cars are (were ?) the "SE" model, MC had an '86 Base. Base models were just that... basic. No sunroof, no storage bins, no ps, usually no a/c and steel 14" wheels (not the phone dials, but actual steelies). Its actually a pretty sought after body due to it being the lightest one over the SE and lack of sunroof.

Wierd shit man.... mine is the "SE" as well... I had the 14" phonedials, sunroof, and I got me some bins too..... wierd. Mine is also an '88, so it's not some super early production like it sounds like you two got. Badass though... rotary history right there

Sometimes I wish I hadn't sold it since it was light it would have made a great car to smash cones with or a real good car to hotrod the body was straight as an arrow and only needed paint it was fading artic silver (yea yea... I know just like you and bill) damn ... thinking about it that was 13 years ago. Damn I'm getting old.

Brian,
I would have to say your the coolest person I have not had the chance to meet! See over here in VA I catch the slack from Bill and his 10 year project and MC with his crazy ass toys..but you my friend make me feel :party: when you and MC give him a hell!! I hope that I will get to see your sweet ass FC in person soon..

Corrected for truth

You only need an input if you want to run it in a closed loop function. You could easily setup similarly to how the stock stepper motors worked (did a full sweep to minimum on start up). So unless someone stuck something in there to keep it from hitting minimum first it should be fine.

As it stands right now; the stepper motor control of the Haltech can run Oil Pumps (Which can also be used for intake manifold runner length alteration), and ICV's.

Dude thats dirty!! :o21: thats all I have to say about that

You like it DIRTY???:lol:

They also had carpet where there was only 1 bin. I found that really really weird.