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jerd_hambone 02-16-2012 09:19 AM

Any project that gets worked on makes me jelly. I have unlimited time, but no where to work unless it's warm.

FerociousP 02-16-2012 09:49 AM

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A stock clutch is going in with a stock flyheel. Stock gears and a stock turbo.
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oh yeah, there will be a boost trim switch installed so we can go from Mom mode - Wastegate, to Brian mode - as much boost as the stock turbo will handle
In my experience with my stock clutch/disc/flywheel combo and my stock ports/ stock turbo with FMIC and SprintRE.... the stock clutch may not be up to the task of Brian Mode. Once we tuned it on the interstate and the outside temperature got lower than 70deg my clutch slips in 4th. Now that it is winter, it slips in 2nd, and I'm only running about 12-13psi at 5-6k and it bleeds down to about 8-9psi by 7k. Its still drivable, but not under full power.

TitaniumTT 02-16-2012 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jerd_hambone (Post 182382)
Any project that gets worked on makes me jelly. I have unlimited time, but no where to work unless it's warm.

That's a shame. We built an annex off the garage to house the landi. Nothing more than a simple frame and shrink-wrap. Add an 80,000 btu heater and it'll get up to 80* in the winter easy. It rocks. You should do it... do it NAOW!

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Originally Posted by FerociousP (Post 182387)
In my experience with my stock clutch/disc/flywheel combo and my stock ports/ stock turbo with FMIC and SprintRE.... the stock clutch may not be up to the task of Brian Mode. Once we tuned it on the interstate and the outside temperature got lower than 70deg my clutch slips in 4th. Now that it is winter, it slips in 2nd, and I'm only running about 12-13psi at 5-6k and it bleeds down to about 8-9psi by 7k. Its still drivable, but not under full power.

Uh oh. That's unfortuneate. Well, that's something we'll find out on the dyno. How much power are you making at 5, 6, and 7K? What kind of shape was your clutch in?

FerociousP 02-16-2012 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 182399)
Uh oh. That's unfortuneate. Well, that's something we'll find out on the dyno. How much power are you making at 5, 6, and 7K? What kind of shape was your clutch in?

Clutch was a brand new complete unit from Tennessee Clutch Supply. I ordered it from them as a upgraded pressure plate, but when I put it in the pedal was softer than what was an upgraded clutch on the jspec I'm using. So, I kinda got boned, but the clutch itself is smooth and works great up to peak power. This doesn't speak well for my statement, but the clutch itself was brand new.

I don't know how much power I'm making. I haven't tested it with the Haltech installed and tuned. Right after we got it tuned (in August heat) is when the clutch started slipping, and that wasn't on a dyno. I doubt I'm making judgeIto power :) due to me having stock ports, but the car feels pretty quick. I've got the tune pretty good at 11.2-11.5 AFRs at full load and 17deg @ 10 and 13.5deg at 15psi timing (again, no dyno to try to push higher).

***Before DGRR I plan to swap in my original PP in hopes that the extra clamping force will help. (Don't want to spend too much $$ bc the car will soon be parted)

djmtsu 02-16-2012 01:05 PM

Brian- is that the engine that I found for you? Turned out to be stock huh. Figured for how cheap it was.

Waiting pics of the actual Junkyard Vert itself.

(and your mom :suspect: )

FC Zach 02-16-2012 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by djmtsu (Post 182409)
Waiting pics of the actual Junkyard Vert itself.

(and your mom :suspect: )

:leaving: :willy_nilly:

chibikougan 02-16-2012 01:41 PM

Want a fancy roll hoop. I may have enough 1038 Dom left to put a bend in. Or double miata style?

Don't melt the bumper! I have not had time to get a bumper to make more covers.


Good work Brian as always!


Also there may not be much progress but I do have a lot of questions in my build thread if ya guys wanna help me out. Sorry....sorry..

TitaniumTT 02-16-2012 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chibikougan (Post 182417)
Want a fancy roll hoop. I may have enough 1038 Dom left to put a bend in. Or double miata style?

Don't melt the bumper! I have not had time to get a bumper to make more covers.


Good work Brian as always!


Also there may not be much progress but I do have a lot of questions in my build thread if ya guys wanna help me out. Sorry....sorry..

Thanks man... shit dude, asl away..

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Originally Posted by FerociousP (Post 182408)
Clutch was a brand new complete unit from Tennessee Clutch Supply. I ordered it from them as a upgraded pressure plate, but when I put it in the pedal was softer than what was an upgraded clutch on the jspec I'm using. So, I kinda got boned, but the clutch itself is smooth and works great up to peak power. This doesn't speak well for my statement, but the clutch itself was brand new.

Hmmmm, I think you may have gotten a shit PP.... I dunno though. I'd be curious what happens with a daiken Mazda deal...

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Originally Posted by FerociousP (Post 182408)
I don't know how much power I'm making. I haven't tested it with the Haltech installed and tuned. Right after we got it tuned (in August heat) is when the clutch started slipping, and that wasn't on a dyno. I doubt I'm making judgeIto power :) due to me having stock ports, but the car feels pretty quick.

Dude... stock ports can yield insane numbers. Highest I've hear of was 603, I've personally seen over 500 on stock ports. So yeah... don't put to much stock in mystical ports. Besides, you can increase flow alot without changine timing. This is what I plan on. I want to hit or beat 280rwhp with the stock turbo.

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Originally Posted by FerociousP (Post 182408)
I've got the tune pretty good at 11.2-11.5 AFRs at full load and 17deg @ 10 and 13.5deg at 15psi timing (again, no dyno to try to push higher).

BRING THAT SHIT UP HERE! I'll squeeze some more power out on the dyno. FWIW I run 19* @ 17psi and 11.7-12.0 afr's ;) But that's on the Motec...

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Originally Posted by FerociousP (Post 182408)
***Before DGRR I plan to swap in my original PP in hopes that the extra clamping force will help. (Don't want to spend too much $$ bc the car will soon be parted)

What? Like parted out? Why?

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Originally Posted by djmtsu (Post 182409)
Brian- is that the engine that I found for you? Turned out to be stock huh. Figured for how cheap it was.

I think it may have been. Complete longblock for like $1200?

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Originally Posted by djmtsu (Post 182409)
Waiting pics of the actual Junkyard Vert itself.

Prob when it gets in the shop, it's snowing right now..

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Originally Posted by djmtsu (Post 182409)
(and your mom :suspect: )

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Originally Posted by FC Zach (Post 182416)
:leaving: :willy_nilly:

That... what's wrong with you DJ? :rofl:

jerd_hambone 02-16-2012 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 182399)
That's a shame. We built an annex off the garage to house the landi. Nothing more than a simple frame and shrink-wrap. Add an 80,000 btu heater and it'll get up to 80* in the winter easy. It rocks. You should do it... do it NAOW!

Hm.... I may do that very soon, but use some old tin we have laying around. It will save me from having to sell my roller before I leave for schoolin. I don't want it sitting around in the yard, growin weeds and sinking into oblivion haha.

FerociousP 02-16-2012 04:05 PM

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Dude... stock ports can yield insane numbers. Highest I've hear of was 603, I've personally seen over 500 on stock ports. So yeah... don't put to much stock in mystical ports. Besides, you can increase flow alot without changine timing. This is what I plan on. I want to hit or beat 280rwhp with the stock turbo.

You might have to tell me some of these mystic ways... but first I need a PP that won't slip.

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BRING THAT SHIT UP HERE! I'll squeeze some more power out on the dyno. FWIW I run 19* @ 17psi and 11.7-12.0 afr's ;) But that's on the Motec...
Wow, i've been scared to pump up the timing too much without a dyno.. maybe I can at least do 20@10 and 15@15?

Damn this slipping PP is sure holding me back!!

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What? Like parted out? Why?
To pay for and cannibalize parts for my truck project. Also, I don't want to HAVE to park my car in a garage to keep it dry inside. Soooooo, it will enjoy one more DGRR (this time with coilovers) and then the motor and trans (gearbox at least) and ecu will start to go into the truck.

Also, interesting note since you love testing things! We have a PP tester here at work that measures the clamping force. So far i've measured a used 100k rx8 PP (800lbs), and my unknown bass boat blue painted jdm t2 PP (920lbs). When I get some spare time I'll test brand new off the shelf ones and any other upgraded ones I can get my hands on. I'll also be testing my current shitty PP to see how it compares to stock, but that won't happen for a while.

djmtsu 02-16-2012 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 182424)
That... what's wrong with you DJ? :rofl:

What's right is a better question.

TitaniumTT 02-16-2012 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jerd_hambone (Post 182434)
Hm.... I may do that very soon, but use some old tin we have laying around. It will save me from having to sell my roller before I leave for schoolin. I don't want it sitting around in the yard, growin weeds and sinking into oblivion haha.

Definately... I hate seeing projects abandoned.

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Originally Posted by FerociousP (Post 182457)
You might have to tell me some of these mystic ways... but first I need a PP that won't slip.

There's nothing mystical or secret about it really ;)

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Originally Posted by FerociousP (Post 182457)
Wow, i've been scared to pump up the timing too much without a dyno.. maybe I can at least do 20@10 and 15@15?

Dyno won't tell you the whole story... you really need EGT's and EMAP as well... EGT's are more important though. Stock timing on the FD was something like 20* @ 1Bar. But like I said.... you really do need a dyno and an EGT datalogs...

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Originally Posted by FerociousP (Post 182457)
Damn this slipping PP is sure holding me back!!

Yeah, it really sounds like it dude... AFR's are a touch rich as well... I'd run 12:1 @~7-8lbs... well... are you using the stock CAS? That will effect your timing as well....

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Originally Posted by FerociousP (Post 182457)
To pay for and cannibalize parts for my truck project. Also, I don't want to HAVE to park my car in a garage to keep it dry inside. Soooooo, it will enjoy one more DGRR (this time with coilovers) and then the motor and trans (gearbox at least) and ecu will start to go into the truck.

LAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by FerociousP (Post 182457)
Also, interesting note since you love testing things! We have a PP tester here at work that measures the clamping force. So far i've measured a used 100k rx8 PP (800lbs), and my unknown bass boat blue painted jdm t2 PP (920lbs). When I get some spare time I'll test brand new off the shelf ones and any other upgraded ones I can get my hands on. I'll also be testing my current shitty PP to see how it compares to stock, but that won't happen for a while.

That would be badass.... I'd like to see that...

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Originally Posted by djmtsu (Post 182475)
What's right is a better question.

Sure as shit would be a shorter list :rofl:

So if you did find this engine DJ... fuck you. I pulled the rotors out of the cleaning solution. if it was purple power... it didn't touch the bearings after a 24 hr soak.... regardless, the rear rotor at some point in it's life ingested a bolt and dented the shit out of the rotor.... KNOW YOUR ENGINE BUILDER!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sooooo now I'm looking at the coupes old rotors and counterweights... but I would need an aftermkt flywheel :banghead: Goes against what I wanted to do with the car so I'll have to sleep on it.

Tonights list WAS going to be clean the rotors and all the seals but that's going to hold off until I decide what to do. That and someone who likes crazy deadlines more than me is on his way out here right now from Queens to pick up some parts that I haven't welded yet :rofl: So I'm going to hop on that, then I'll continue on with cleaning the irons and getting them ready to be ported.... I'll get some pics of the rotor up before the night is out.... pissed am I..... fuckers 1 day in and already a setback. Oh well..... it's not like there isn't enough still to do :smilielol5:

djmtsu 02-16-2012 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 182494)

So if you did find this engine DJ... fuck you.

Hey, I found it, you bought it!

So much hate!

:squint:

Raksj04 02-16-2012 08:37 PM

I have a question. Could you dulite the puple power? If so that may prevent the bearing from being pitted however I am not familar with this product.

Also "Sir admin". does this mean you are not going to be bring your custom badass trailer to DGRR?

hades 02-16-2012 09:43 PM

why FD coolers?


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