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vex 03-03-2009 04:11 PM

Mazda Comp mounts are amazing. I could tell a difference right away (well... I did have a broken stock motor mount) and there is no vibration coming through unless your engine is on the fritz or in need of a rebuild... which reminds me.

firzen 03-03-2009 05:05 PM

Don't use hockey pucks. However, I did know a guy that used the window sealant stuff on his old motor mounts to stiffen them up. Worked out quite well and doesn't feel too bad.

Problem with Garfinkle's brace is it's FD specific...

Mazdatrix also sells a strut tower bar that has a torque brace but that thing is on the front...

Ender 03-03-2009 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by djmtsu (Post 75160)
1) The arm for the brace goes to the wrong side of the engine bay (should go to the passenger side)

With it on the driver's side the accelerating torque pulls on the bar and pushes on decelerating torque, isn't that better for a solid rod? I know some torque braces use hydraulic or gas pistons so to me it makes sense for those to be mounted to the other side, compresses on accel and stretches on decel.


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Originally Posted by djmtsu (Post 75160)
2) There is no real support for the brace where it mounts to the sheet metal (can rip out f you have enough torque and a bad engine mount)

I could see that happening, maybe.... the rubber bumpers on the RB bar mount will apply force over an area of approximately 1.5 to 2 square inches. Even making 600ft lbs of torque, the bar connects at what, 18" from the centerline of the e-shaft? That would apply 400lbs to a bumper against the sheet metal... I guess I don't know if that would be enough to tear it out, maybe after a lot of abuse. I'm gonna guess that if you're making 600ft lbs of torque with any 13B or a 12A you will already have something else figured out to keep your motor from tearing itself out of your engine bay, but I don't know.

WE3RX7 03-03-2009 06:36 PM

So what I'm hearing is Garfinkle should start making FC versions, lol....

djmtsu 03-03-2009 08:03 PM

He said something about it long ago, but it never happened. Now he lives 40 minutes away instead of 2 minutes, and I don't know of any FC's where he lives now.

Whizbang 03-03-2009 09:12 PM

hockey pucks eh?

Rotary#10 03-03-2009 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Low Impedance (Post 75233)
hockey pucks eh?

anyone up for a friendly game of hockey? mmm just reading this it makes sense to me about the top of the motor twisting, i didn't know that.. mmm learn something new everyday...

Fidelity101 03-04-2009 12:20 PM

I dont want stock ones, and I don't want to break bank for solid mounts so within the next couple weeks I am getting mazda comp trans/motor mounts for when the motor/trans goes back in the car.

I had a broken P side engine mount too

Max777 03-04-2009 03:39 PM

i dunno, the reason I didn't get the Mazdacomp mounts was because the stock design which is prone to failing....

After a while I will report back on my banzai mounts, to see if I can give some insight.

My5ABaby 03-05-2009 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Max777 (Post 75372)
i dunno, the reason I didn't get the Mazdacomp mounts was because the stock design which is prone to failing....

After a while I will report back on my banzai mounts, to see if I can give some insight.

Maybe because I own an N/A, but I've never heard the stock mounts are prone to failing. Granted, many of the stock mounts are bad on FC's, but they're also at least 18 years old and likely have over 100,000 miles on them. You'll be hard pressed to find anything non-metal (or metal...) on the exterior of the car that's in good shape after that long.

However, I would be more than glad if you could find some posts about the stock ones failing as I am thinking of replacing mine for peace of mind (although Kevin said they were fine as of 3 years ago on my 86 with 120k+ miles).

classicauto 03-05-2009 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by My5ABaby (Post 75456)
Maybe because I own an N/A, but I've never heard the stock mounts are prone to failing. Granted, many of the stock mounts are bad on FC's, but they're also at least 18 years old and likely have over 100,000 miles on them. You'll be hard pressed to find anything non-metal (or metal...) on the exterior of the car that's in good shape after that long.

Not to mention, most of them are absolutely DRENCHED in oil. Which will swell and rot the rubber nice and quickly.

Max777 03-06-2009 12:04 AM

Well, one of the mounts on the thread-starters FC project car was done, and the other was better, but if you look close the rubber is always micro-cracked on all the ones I've inspected so far, including some I got with my short block.

Maybe it's because of owning a car with a REALLY sloppy drivetrain before( 1996 Mercedes C220) that I want to have my drivetrain "planted" and not move at all. Also big part is that I am planning on doing some drifting, and drivetrain slop really sucks for that.

Nopis1O 03-14-2009 10:50 AM

[QUOTE=Max777;75603]Well, one of the mounts on the thread-starters FC project car was done, and the other was better, but if you look close the rubber is always micro-cracked on all the ones I've inspected so far, including some I got with my short block.QUOTE]

I wouldnt say there prone to failing. max being micro cracked would fall under the terms ageing or weathering. im sure with 20 years of abuse most mounts would have micro cracks. And as far as the design being the same as mazdas oem. if its good enough for mazda then its good enough for me.


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