Gotcha Tyler.... I would be leary of the MSD coils. I would go so far as to call them to see what they rec for dwell times and never go beyond that. I would even back off the dwell wherever you can just to prolong the life of them.

Thanks for the compliments Tyler. Whatever I come up with for the FD is going to be jigged so that it can be duplicated. Just about every brace you can imagine, plus I'm sure a bunch of other custom goodies.

oh btw, a company does it for the rx8, my friend just bought it and we installed them, they pretty much just add a stubby jumper wire from the coil to the harness

and hell no i would never go with the rx8 coils, everyone ive talked to said they replace coils like every 15k or less, that rediculous when you consider my FC has 200k miles on it and i still have the factory coils running strong

besides that, bangkok with the red turbo rx8 is rocking the yukon coils and i believe hes loving them, its certainly worth trying out im my opinion, after deals ill probably experiment with them...to much on my plate right now :(

Bangkok's was running clean that day, nice idle etc etc.... We'll see, still waiting to hear back from my MoTeC guru about whether I should go with the D510C's or the D585's. You won't have to worry about experimenting after the Gap, I'll have dyno results to prove which coils the better to go with. It's just mounting and wiring them sexy is the key.

BTW - was trudging through the Auto-x clubs pics and came across these

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Good pics! Nobody at our autox seems to get good shots... including me! My first race is next weekend already, time flies.....

damn lol, is there anything you wont test? lol

have to start calling you the chosen one lol

here to save us from all our stereo typical rotary problems

first coils, then well never blow an engine again!

[QUOTE=helghast7;107228]damn lol, is there anything you wont test? lol

No :smilielol5:

hmmmmm, I like that.

Got an email from my guru buddy, here's what he has to say

Looks like I'll be going with the D510C's. In speaking with a few other people, they say that the D585's will not auto discharge, but I'm not going to take that chance. The other person that I spoke with inside MoTeC gave me a marking on the coil to aviod because of the auto-discharge, I believe it to be the D514's. Either way, the key is the documented more effiecient windings in the D510C's off the newest LS7 which is what I'll be going with.

I wonder how many people running Haltechs with mysterious ignition fires are suffering from autodischarge from over dwelling subpar coils.........

First race? Damn I hate you so much right now ;)

Just want to give Brian and Alex a huge thanks,

got back earlier today from CT to get my ppf repaired, they did an amazing job on it, and i can honestly say that that roaches and my ppf will be the only things left around if a nuclear war occured :)

and btw, Brians welding shits on the factory

:) Thanks much Dave, Glad you're happy with it. Let us know when you're ready for those RX8 seats.


Aight guys, been a week, I've been busy/slacking a little and surprise surprise, I'm behind schedual already, I think I'm up to about #5 so far. Wash, wax, found the draw, pulled the engine, fit the supersecret trans and dropped some parts off for some machining. Here are the pics, if ANYONE recognizes this trans - SHEDAP!

A shot looking from the drivers side underneath, look how damn close the mounts are.... physced, no need to fab a second set of mounts on the chassis to mount this trans. Build a mount and I can swap between the Type R and this new 6spd... WOOT!

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Shows how damn close it is to the original shift hole. The trans does need to go a weeeeeee bit higher so it looks like I finally get to take my Plasma cutter to the chassis..... oh joy :reddevil:

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From behind :smilielol5:

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And here she is on the getting ready to head over to the stand for a few months worth of storage:icon_tdown: I miss driving her already

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and backed outside so I can douche out the shop pretty hardcore tomorrow. Pulling engines is brutal for floors.

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So no it's time to strip her down completely and start building that new fuel tank, then up on the rotisserie for that undercarriage chemotherapy. Hopefully I be balls deep into that by the end of the week

nice dude nice, speaking of seats i just picked them up today, so when im ready to come down there coming with me :)

no go for this weekend though, picking up my engine tomorrow :D

so psyched!!

You decide to do the fuel cell idea, Brian? Or something else?

Pic?...here's what the tank looked like when I finished it (for my son's TII):

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Its nice to know everybody slacks off once and a while :)

trans looked like it worked out really well so far, good luck on the final bits!

You are a busy man Brian BUT THAT FUCKING TRANNY WILL BE AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sweet!!!! Do you still need the flange??? Or are you going to drop the engine in and fit the intercooler piping and make a mark for the flange before you bring everything?

WOW!!!!!!! I love it! Thanks for the pic Todd. Alex actually reclaimed his tanks and diff today so I took a BUNCH of measurements and yeah, I decided I'm going to do it. I'm going to take a slightly different approach than you did though, I'm going to build it from scratch out of some .125" AL, haven't decided on 5052 or 6061 yet, gotta see if the supplier can brake .125" 6061, but prob not recommended. 5052 always bends easy.

I'm not entirely sure on the dimensions as of yet, but it looks like it will be about 20gals, and will have a built in surge tank, 3-4 qts, with a drop in Bosch 044.... yeah, I'm going to try it again and try to quite it down a bit. If it's too loud, I'm going to have the Cosmo pump flowed and make sure that it's up to snuff so if it is too loud, I'll use the Cosmo pump as the lift, and the supra tt pump as the pressure pump.

So no sump, no external fittings, no external pump but a maze of hoses running back and forth. I'll use the stock level sender, and I'll build a sump cup for that as well.

I am going to use your idea for the 1" square tubing and rubber to isolate it and of course the idea for the fill and vent tubes... I LOVE that.

Probably build a few gusseted mounts and use the straps as well. Prob have to build my own straps though. More than likely I'll have to box in the recess for the vent and fill as well as the lift pump/sender.

I do have a question for you though Todd. Would you use the stock vent again as you did, or should I buy a roll-over valve and mount that?

Thanks much for the pic Todd, I really appreciate it.

Yeah but you've been on it for 7 years now! I took a few days ;)

No to mention today I got the entire shop cleaned SPOTLESS, got the girl in and up on stands, got the entire rear suspension striped out as well as the tanks and a few other things as well.... next is to mock up this bitchin' cell then everything can get striped out.

So far so good, my machinist has the housings and he says about a week. He's got a few race engines that need to get gone before he can start on this abortion of a trans project. Then it still needs to be cryo'ed, etc etc. Hopefully Dave can turn that around quick so I can get the tunnel cut and move onto the hurculiner and the lizard skin.

:D I hope so! The ratios on the stocker TII BLOW! So this should be a drastic improvement.

First thing, there's no way that I would waste the time in trying the brake 6061. Even if it worked (visibly), the composition of 6061 is so rigid that I would constantly be concerned with cracks appearing. 5000 series is an improvement for what you are doing, but I would recommend a 4000 series.

As for the straps, with the height measurement of mine, it worked perfectly to use the stock straps in their stock location.

As for the vents....I just kept everything simple....that's pretty much how I have built this entire car (except my ignition...that's my biggest PITA right now...converting a CAS car back to a distributor and going DLIDFIS). I simply used the stock vent system to cut down on more fab work or more time invested. The roll over valves are much more safe, but I am keeping the dual exhaust and didn't like my vent tube to be so close...that's why I removed and sealed that area, and kept the stock vent. I think you should just evaluate your usage for the car, your vents, your exhaust, etc... and see if you feel comfortable with it. the way I have mine now, all I have to do is just connect it to the charcoal cannister and I'm done.

I figured that the 6061 would be a little too rigid to brake, especially the size that I'm looking to do, isn't it something like 30-50% the tensile strength of 5052?

I'd love to use the stock straps if I could, or at least the stock mounting locations. I think my problem is going to be the Bosch fuel pump though, the thing is tall! And then there are the fittings on top as well. I suppose I could go with some 90* bulkhead connectors to keep things a little tighter but I've never been a fan of the sharp 90*s but it's far enough downstream that it should work just fine.



Well, the way I have it set up now, or had it set up before Alex took his tank back :rofl: was the stock vent reoriented to discharge on the same axis as the fill/vent tubes. It ran over the top of the tank and went from the 1/4" rubber to a -4 and then followed them up to the fuel door. There in the recess I drilled through and put a -4male to female 1/8" npt with a little stainless sintered filter. So I'm comfortable with the routing of the line as it runs exactely the same way as the factory did. It's well shielded from the exhaust as well. The one thing that worries me about the rollover valve is whether or not it will allow fuel through it if it's sloshing around. Even if it does, it's all downhill from the vent so it'll eventually make it into the tank again.

Charcoal Canister??!??@?!??!? What's that ;)

Maybe, but that's pretty bad ass in itself

The roll over vents, at least on my cell and the others that I have used from Jegs, do allow leakage from sloshing. They all have had -8AN male fittings to route the leakage away from the cell, but I never did like that they leaked from sloshing.

You are correct in the increased rigidity of the 6061....I was actually thinking it is right at 40% increase over the 5000 series.

On the fittings, maybe you could come out of the very top of the side so that you wouldn't have to go quite so tall???? Just a thought.

Thanks for the props on the ignition. I have all the parts, but just haven't wrapped my head around the whole thing yet. My concerns all involve the ECU that I have completely removed, along with the engine wiring harness. I'll hit you with a PM and get your thoughts on what I have in my head as to what will work with my blow through setup.

I did manage to find a -6 roll-over vent, and I'm thinking that it's going to go dead center towards the rear in the tank so it's under the least amount a pressure and will let the least amount of fuel out from sloshing. Then it would have to travel through 4ish feet of -6 line and up 10ish inches before it manages to get out of the vent. Same setup as the stocker tank with the stock vent, and I never had any fuel escape that way. We'll try it and see what happens. I agree 100% though Todd, I'm not liking that it will allow fuel out from sloshing.

The intank surge tank idea is what's really killing the height. I'm going to have the material bent into an L, twice so one piece will be a top and a side, and another will be a bottom and a side. I'll cut a circle into the top and drop a cylinder down into it and weld a flange on the inside. Then continue the cylinder down to the floor of the tank. That will be the surge tank. The Bosch will just drop in and bolt to the internal flange. Before I weld the sides on, I'll have some L channel to weld to the surge tank and to the floor to really keep the whole damn thing in place.

If I were to put the fittings onthe side of the surge tank, internally, I think it would be very difficult to get both the pumps in and out. If they are on the top, I can just undue the hoses, unbolt the cartridge and pull the entire assembly out. I can use some 90* bulkhead connectors for almost all of them accept the vent, that needs to be a welded bung and a 90* fitting otherwise the fitting dropping down into the surge tank won't allow all of the air to be evacuated from the surge tank.

My REAL problem is the connectors that I've been able to find. I have not been able to source a sealed bulkhead connector rated for fuel that connects on a 90* angle. If I could find that I'd be able to drop the height down considerably. The connector that I have from Fuel Safe requires ~2-2.5" of clearance above it. That's what's really killing me.

Let me know how I can help Todd, I'll be more than happy to. The whole blow-through, dizzy setup sounds really badass, and really simple. Even the theme that you told me about sounds great.

I thought that I remember Jeg's having those fittings. They don't list everything that they have on their site or in their catalogs. It might be well worth a phone call to one of their reps and they can guide you to a part #...look at it online and see if that is what you are needing. If not, call Russ at Power and Rubber in Alabaster, AL (tell him Todd @ No Limit told you to call) and see if he can help. You may even have to send him a sketch but he will do everything he can to help find the fittings you need, then he can ship them to you. He can be reached at 205-210-2101.

Hope that helps a brotha out.

I'll shoot a PM over the next few days. I have compny from out of town, plus the car isn't even here yet...still in Alabama.

yea im probably going to drop the drivetrain in, fit the kit and drop off everything at once

and now that i was thinking about it, i need some advice and a price on a custom battery tray..more talk in the PM

Why not just bend the aluminum into 2 a U shape? Meaning 2 walls and a floor, then weld up the two other walls, and bolt down the top?

[_] = this shape with little sections on the top... then you can have the top be riveted or bolted, and removable like in some fuel cells if you want to redo something, w/o the risk of cutting it back open.

They had some but I think they may end up being too tall, I ordered one to see what it's all about but I will DEFINATELY call Russ tomorrow, thanks for that :icon_tup: and yes, it definately helps a brotha out.

I'll be looking forward to the PM Todd, thanks again.

Definately, plus I know of a few people that sell them, then it's a matter of welding or bolting something in.

Then you're talking about sealing a surface that if stretched out would be over 9' long. Thats alot fo gasket material, potential for leaks etc etc, not to mention it would need to be thru-bolted so you'd have to stud it which means 9' more of welding.

Once I get all the measurements figured out and start building the thing, there won't be a need to ever go back into the tank. If the Bosch pump fits, the Denso certianly will. Thats about the only thing I would ever change, except I MIGHT have to go to a Wema sender as opposed to the stocker, which blows, becuase the stocker is the best sender I have ever used and I spent $87 on one less than a year ago.:banghead: Oh well, Alex will get some good use out of it I suppose.... no he won't, he's using an S5 dash, and I believe the resistance is different... regardless, I think the fuel cells that you are referring to anyway house an internal bladder and the top is just that, a top for a cell where no fuel is ever in contact with it.

I drew up a pic of it, I'll snap a pic of the pic and post it up tomorrow.... err later today.

Alright, time for an update and because of the timing, they'll be coming ALOT more frequently.

I've got a few leads on the hardware that I need for the traction control, and I went and picked up the TCMux from my MoTeC dealer. Tomorrow I'm ordering the DMC-D's that I'll need to go from the Mag signal that the factory sensors puts out to the Hall Effect signal that the MoTeC needs to see. Also got some 20ga shielded Tefzel wire on order and I finally broke down and bought the $320 crimper that they need, and I figure while I'm at it I upgraded my other crimpers as well because we're gonna offer some sick wiring solutions :D

Also managed to get the rest of the body stripped and last night we finally got her up on the rotisserie.

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Already proped her to the side fo I can start the cleaning.

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When I did start cleaning, I found that I opened up a can of fricken worms! I started with a wire brush and this was somewhat solid and not all the way through yet. Found a few of them actually, not pleased at all.

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This is why we do NOT JACK FROM THE FUCKING PINCH WELDS!!!! The one on the other side is worse, but it was too high for me to get a pic

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Don't know what caused the paint to fail here, but at least it's an easy fix

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Also managed to get the tranny tunnel trimmed before I dropped the tranny off with Dave to get the thing cryo'ed and resynced.... this tranny is gonna kick ass.

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Few more shots of the insanity.

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I gotta get this thing repaired and undercoated so I can get this girl the right side up. This is fucked up, just so unatural but man oh man is she easy to work on now

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Fuel Cell update - Got all the material bent up that I need and picked it all up. All I'm waiting on are the MilSpec connectors and the 7" Diameter tube that I had to order. When all is said and done it'll be a 17 gallon fuel tank with a built in 5 quart surge tank. Also got a new mount for the Bosch pump and I have a way to wire and plumb it that will hopefully make the thing MUCH more quite. Ludwig told me that he's running one in the tank and all you hear is a little hmmmmmm, I can live with that so I'm glad I didn't sell it like I was originally going to do. I'll get some pics of that progress when I get pissed off at all the holes in my undercarriage :smilielol5:

You sound like a 50yo woman!
Even my new car I thought was rust free has a small hole, and the pinch welds all fucked up :( fucking people are retarded.

People are fucking retarded. All four corners.... SHAME!!! I'll post pics of all the rot and the repairs. I've got some cool ideas for jack points.

dude...thats crazy!!!

Holy crap! I can't believe that's the same car :lol:. How big is the pile o' parts after it's all stripped like that?

Yeah it is. FD will be in that same position in a few months too :D

It's insane. I've got all the body parts out in Le Annex part duex (doors, fenders, bumers, fenders, hood, rear glass) the entire interior took up a decent size spare bedroom, the electronics are in a draw in my closet, and all the mechanical/underhood parts are in the basement. Took up 3 big selves, a desk, and a good bit of floor space.

I still need to strip out the harnesses. Sadly though I think it'll have to happen before I start the welding. Would suck to burn a harness that way. Luckily though as soon as the underside is done, the harness work is next, then the interior gets Lizard Skinned.

I really, really hate you :)


My undercoating takes SOOO much longer since I'm on my back, lol! I got sidetracked into another small project on my FC so the rest of my undercoating is being held off a bit for now, but should resume shortly.

You should be able to knock out the herculiner in a day no problem with that setup... although, your undercarriage appears in worse shape then mine... I only needed minor repairs thus far... good luck man...

Knocking out the liner with the car like that will take no time at all. It's the repairs that are going to screw me. I've got four areas that I would consider in need of major repair, and who knows how many smaller areas. I'm going to run out of gas for sure.

The real shitty part, and here's murphy for you. When the car was on jackstands i was thinking to myself, 'fuck it, I'll wait till she's back on stands before I strip the wiring harnesses out, I'm not doing any welding where the harness's are near' :wallbash: Now I need to flip her again, prop her upright and strip the harnesses with the car much higher than where I would want her to be. Oh well, lesson learned......... again.

What's your side project?

I'm knocking out a portion of my brake upgrade right now...

I wish i could do that to my FD. Hopefully sometime down the road.

will probably bring the seats, the following weekend if you have time for them

engine should go back in sometime this week/end so i can mock up the intercooler kit right after that and figure out where i want the flange and then i drop everything off

i guess the first stop she takes after i get her running is to your place so i can get the reasonator welded in..dont really want to drive her long on the cat because i know shes gonna clog it up real quick and cause all sorts of problems...course....i could just be stupid and run it open DP to your place :)

cops would love me. ;)

on second thought i better not after all the crap i just went through this weekend...that was some scary shit man!!

Nice! I'm gonna have to pick your brain on that at Deals. I'm putting mine off for a while as I'm spending too much coin on other things. Traction control, fuel and spark is getting more expensive than originally anticipated.

Definately worth doing. I wish I had the means 7 years ago when I first painted the car. Oh well, as soon as I determine that there is nothing else needed to be welded to the chassis of the FD, she's going up on the same rotisserie to make sure the undercarriage is 100% and getting re-undercoated. Nice to know that everything is squared away before the pretty paint goes down. My biggest concern is that I'll damage the paint :leaving:

We should be good. You thinking the 21stish? Are you planning on dropping everything off or hanging out while we do what we gotta do?

Cool! So you're gonna bring that with the seats?

I like it. The cops in Stamford have much better things to do than actually bother people. I jumped a curb, up on the sidewalk, around a few cars, and blew through a light turning right before I saw the cop staring right at me, didn't even flinch. Frankly, the louder the better, especially if you can come after 7:30, that's when my neighbor goes to sleep :rofl:

What happened man?!?!?!