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Prodigy 07-11-2014 11:28 AM

for people with FD's, why not tap the bango boot coming of the front cover?

Just like people do for the rear bango but before the oil gets a chance to go through the cooler (s) would that be a inexpensive option that is still fairly accurate?


J.

FerociousP 07-11-2014 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Prodigy (Post 285203)
for people with FD's, why not tap the bango boot coming of the front cover?

Just like people do for the rear bango but before the oil gets a chance to go through the cooler (s) would that be a inexpensive option that is still fairly accurate?


J.

I would think so, unless people have already converted to AN lines as part of an oil cooler upgrade. It'd be nice to see a port located at the oil thermostat (if so equipped)

RETed 07-11-2014 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by FerociousP (Post 285195)
Quick question to the more experienced guys. Most sites say 210f oil temp is about as high as you want to see on a rotary. This has always seemed low to me. Is it because of where the typical measurement location is (pedestal) which is after the coolers on its way IN to the engine that 210 is considered high? Because it assumes 230+ in the pan or as exits the engine directly after the pump?

I'm debating adding a oil temp gauge to my RX8 as it mostly sees track use, and am debating between a pedestal and the banjo bolt at the first oil cooler. If I put it in the banjo bolt, I'd imagine the scale of "danger" would shift to a higher temp.

http://fc3spro.com/TECH/MODS/EL/GAUGES/otemp.htm

I think the MazdaComp / MazdaSpeed and RB #'s still stand today...


-Ted

speedjunkie 07-11-2014 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by C. Ludwig (Post 285163)
SPA may use BSP. The NPT fittings will thread into the BSP ports a couple turns and make you think it's a good match. Then you tighten it down and it all goes wrong.

So far they've threaded in alright. I'll have to look at them again. Now I'm just trying to decide if I want to move the water temp sensor into the stock port or keep it where it is. I figured the stock port might read higher temps since it's right next to the spark plugs (and I figured there was a reason Mazda put it right there), but looking at the coolant flow picture, it looks like the hottest temps are where I have it now, right behind the thermostat, and I like that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FerociousP (Post 285195)
Quick question to the more experienced guys. Most sites say 210f oil temp is about as high as you want to see on a rotary. This has always seemed low to me. Is it because of where the typical measurement location is (pedestal) which is after the coolers on its way IN to the engine that 210 is considered high? Because it assumes 230+ in the pan or as exits the engine directly after the pump?

I'm debating adding a oil temp gauge to my RX8 as it mostly sees track use, and am debating between a pedestal and the banjo bolt at the first oil cooler. If I put it in the banjo bolt, I'd imagine the scale of "danger" would shift to a higher temp.

I don't remember what my temps are during the summer (the car has been down since last summer lol), but during the winter I've seen as low as 109F and I've had my sensor in the oil filter pedestal.

As for what you're asking, that's hard to determine if they don't tell you where the sensor is mounted. I'd say just decide if you'd rather know how hot it's getting at it's hottest point, or if you want to see if the oil coolers are working so you put it in the pedestal (although you'd still be able to tell if you mounted the sensor at the front of the engine and one day you notice your oil is hotter than normal). Either way, decide which one you want, pay attention to it for a while to see what's typical and under what conditions, and keep that in mind so you can spot a condition should it arise.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prodigy (Post 285203)
for people with FD's, why not tap the bango boot coming of the front cover?

Just like people do for the rear bango but before the oil gets a chance to go through the cooler (s) would that be a inexpensive option that is still fairly accurate?


J.

I have AN lines and fittings already. But that's why I'm going to get the fitting Brian linked to. Otherwise I would think the banjo bolt is a good idea on a stock setup.

C. Ludwig 07-11-2014 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prodigy (Post 285203)
for people with FD's, why not tap the bango boot coming of the front cover?


J.


I wouldn't want the sensor bulb plugging up the middle of the bolt where oil needs to flow.

Prodigy 07-12-2014 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by C. Ludwig (Post 285239)
I wouldn't want the sensor bulb plugging up the middle of the bolt where oil needs to flow.


agreed, guess I should clarify... I just seen on 7 club a party about drill/tap the bango, and its in the way quite a bit, another poster suggested, drill tap for 1/4 npt vs 1/8not (or bsp depending on sensor) then swedging it to the sensor size, this pushes the sensor probe out of the way so it's not in the flow nearly as much as before...


J.

FerociousP 07-14-2014 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by C. Ludwig (Post 285239)
I wouldn't want the sensor bulb plugging up the middle of the bolt where oil needs to flow.

I agree. I was even contemplating a PLX system which can tie in to the OBDII to show coolant from the ECU, and oil temp from the PLX on my phone (torque app). Their sender is pretty long, and unless it can be spaced out there is obvious worry of restriction.

Autometer has this:
http://www.jegs.com/i/Auto-Meter/105/2259/10002/-1

Designed for cylinder heads but same range as the other sensors so it fits all short sweep temp gauges. Would work good in a standalone app where custom resistances can be calibrated in, or if using autometer gauges is acceptable. I didn't really want to add an actual gauge to the RX8 (down by shifter), especially since I use my phone to watch coolant temp already when at track days.

http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/100/105/105-2259.jpg

speedjunkie 07-16-2014 11:47 PM

Verocious Motorsports says I can't buy that fitting in a 10AN, and I found what I think is the same thing on Amazon, but it says it has 1/8 FPT. Have you guys heard of FPT before?

http://www.amazon.com/Fragola-Alumin.../dp/B00GV1JCOM

chibikougan 07-16-2014 11:52 PM

Usually means female pipe thread. So the side hole will fit 1/8 NPT

Definition of pipe thread acronyms
NPT National Pipe Thread (tapered)
FPT Female Pipe Thread (interchangeable with NPT)
FIP Female Iron Pipe (interchangeable with NPT)
MPT Male Pipe Thread (interchangeable with NPT)
MIP Male Iron Pipe (interchangeable with NPT)
IPS Iron pipe size (interchangeable with NPT)
PTF SAE short taper pipe thread
NPTF National Pipe Thread Fine (American National taper pipe thread for dryseal pressure-tight joints)
NPSM National Pipe Straight Mechanical (American National straight pipe thread for mechanical joints)
NPSI American National straight intermediate pipe thread
GHT Garden Hose thread
NST National Standard Thread (Fire Hose thread)
BSPT British Standard taper pipe thread (metric dimensions)

speedjunkie 07-17-2014 01:23 AM

Hmmmmm, alright. I think I'll go ahead and get one. Thanks!

speedjunkie 07-22-2014 11:41 PM

I got that fitting in the mail today and tried it out. Just putting the sensor directly into the 1/8NPT port, it blocks too much of the oil flow. Over half, probably even 3/4 of it. So I'll either figure out some sort of adapter to put it out some, tap the thermostat, or keep it where it's been.

Prodigy 07-23-2014 12:18 AM

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004RC...ref=mp_s_a_1_2

user something like this to storage it out if you want, just need to make sure you get the right thread on both sides for your application. it sound space the sensor atleast 1/2 out if not close to an inch, while still allowing for it to read the temp.


J.

speedjunkie 07-24-2014 08:15 PM

The only problem is the sensor fits right into the port, so I'd have to get a 1/8x1/8. I'm not sure if that's possible lol.


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