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While I was saving up throughout the months passing by, the 13B-RE that I bought blowned up was in the process of being rebuilt. During those times all I could think was "Damn, is it really gonna be worth dumping all this money on my car!" I figured I would go ahead and stick to that old saying of "If your going to do it, do it right the first time." It makes sense to the common mind. There is also another neat saying using the words: Cheap, Reliable, Fast you can only have two out of the three.
I saw this somewhere a long time ago I thought it was really true: - You can have a car that is Cheap and Reliable, but it isn't gonna be Fast - You can have a car that is Fast and built very Cheap, but sure isn't Reliable - You can have a car that is Fast and Reliable, but sure the hell isn't Cheap!! Okay enough with the sayings. I had the bought brand new seals, gaskets, fittings, etc for a complete rebuild. The new FD3S rotor housings I bought got their exhaust ports opened up a bit, water jacket modification, machined for pinning. As for the steels they were relapped, machined for pinning, and of course given a large streetport. I had 6 extra 12a dowel pins put into the motor. Since emissions is of not concern to Florida, anything to do with helping the environment is gone. I had the oil metering pump removed because I just couldn't trust something so old and very expensive to do it's job on my new motor. As for the UIM and LIM I had them port matched and smoothen all the runners alot <---actually required alot of welding. Lets just say if I were to shine a flash light into a runner, you would be able to see a tad bit of the actual light source. Alright lets get to the pictures. Sorry everyone, I cannot post pictures of the porting and pinning by request of my builder. Polished eccetric shaft http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3079/dcp0258fv0.jpg S5 rotors with OEM 2mm 2-piece apex seals, also double sprunged http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/9579/dcp0257ly1.jpg The upper intake manifold before and after. Do you see what I mean about alot of welding. http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/8...9061510ii4.jpghttp://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4...9061509nt4.jpg http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/1751/dcp0325qw0.jpghttp://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5...3060720vq7.jpg The lower intake manifold before and after. http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6958/dcp0276fs3.jpg after having all the excess aluminum removed http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6...5061247nb8.jpg Lastly polished http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6205/dcp0267el3.jpg And last the pinned,ported, polished bastardized motor composed of piece from all the other generations...my Cosmo 13B-RE block. http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1...9061328df3.jpghttp://img363.imageshack.us/img363/8...9061329rz3.jpg Since the FD rotor housings were brand new it would be a great chance to do anything to assist the motor in cooling. So I had the Water Jacket modification done at the shop. Exactly like this picture from racingbeat's website. Here's their explaination of the modification for those who wonder why: "The Rotor Housing Water Jacket Modification is intended to improve cooling in the hot zone of the rotor housing to increase both housing and seal life. This modification involves cutting grooves in the water jacket in the vicinity of the leading and trailing spark plugs to increase heat transfer out of the housing inner surface. The modification can be performed on a new rotor housing, and is only appropriate for race and the most extreme street use." http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/964/11488qf2.jpg |
Yeah...I know that the block looks assembled on the table. I just had the housings all put together just to get a glimpse of what it looks like. You get the idea!
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Looking good - very similar color choice for my block.
Who did the polishing on the manifolds or were they just dipped? |
I actually did the polishing myself...not the best polishing job in the world but good enough to my standards. I don't believe I did too bad for a first timer with a full time college schedule.
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I guess I'm slightly confused on the welding though - did you cut it apart to smooth out the interior and then weld it all together again? What are your thoughts on the gains that would make?
I dont plan to go to that extreme on my RE but power output should still easily make 425whp... |
couple questions..
Who polished your e-shaft and how much or did u polish that to? Double sprung apex seals.. u mean u have 2 large and small springs behind your apex seals.. what purpose does that serve and is it something that is known to be good to do? |
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That's awesome that your setup will be in the 400's, I'm hoping to be in that power range with my setup. |
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lol Thats what I meaning to say about the double sprung apex seals...your right. Let me get back to you regarding the purpose of the double springs that way I don't put wrong information out there for you and other readers out there. |
Okay I spoke with my builder and the reason for the double sprung apex seal is because while under boost the strength of the extra spring will allow for a better seal to conteract the stress it is experiencing.
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who is building your motor if u dont mind me asking?
looking good btw! |
cool build...you learn something new everyday. Keep it up man!
Can't wait to see what gains you get from all your mods. |
This car is going to be retarded fast.
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Now is there 2 big AND 2 little springs? or do u use 1 of each and just ad 1 more big or 1 more little one as a "helper"
I get the idea just curious how this works looks great keep it up buddy. |
Oh man....I don't know if I can recall the past that well, it been a loooong time since I had that motor put together. LoL...Sorry! let me get back to you on that question too. I want to say two large springs and one small one, but don't take my word for it until I get back to you asap.
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and if u can get me a price on the polish of the e-shaft that would be cool, I would love to send mine out to get polished.
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No problem I'll do that for you as soon as possible.
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If you get a chance after the build to swap out for a stock UIM/LIM, I'd love to see the difference you get with all that work, 20+whp is worth it for sure, especially if it means you can achieve that level at lower boost...
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No hurry at all but when u do that would be awsome if u could relay the price I may send some business his way then :) GREAT build I love the way u are going at it looks real good keep it up! |
I figured it's time for a small update everyone! Well since everything is now assembled and all the machining and porting done, it was time to see how this power plant is going to look like. I was so happy to see it all together that day. The motor looked so good, it was beyond what I was expecting. Many people complimented on the motor that it came to a point where the shop just had to cover it up and hide it because just some people had that certain look in their eyes. It was basically looking at a $8,000 piece of fine machinery on a engine stand ready to roll out of the shop anytime. Anyways as you all know the Cosmo 13B-RE is not a simple drop-in and bolt up motor. JR Fabrication & Performance made me some custom chromoly motor mounts to hold this beast down in my FC.
Here are some pictures of the motor all put together. http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/8...0061522eq9.jpg http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8...0061521ld9.jpg http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6...0061529la3.jpg Here are those custom Chromoly motor mounts: This mount is on the oil filter side. It mounted onto an aluminum plate...lol yeah that too was polished. http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1...0061519ia5.jpg This is the turbo side motor mount. It's a pretty damn solid mount. http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8...8061415qf7.jpg |
which oil pan are u gonna use?
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dude i just wanted to say WOW.... very nice.
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Banzai Racing sells these mounts for cosmo into FC an for 3RD Gen Motor into FC....
Great build by the way.. I did one about 7 months ago... With Haltech E6X,1000cc 1600cc injectors,1x walbro, hks manifold, ACT clutch, hugh front mount, an T04E Turbo .81ar stock rebuild... Runs great... |
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That setup sounds badass. An other client had a setup somewhat exactly like your but with a 13B-REW and good coilover set. That car was an awesome auto-x car putting shame on those expensive hooked up porsches and corvettes. Do you happen to have any pics of you ride, I'd love to catch a glimpse of it? Thanks for the compliment also! |
Good progress man - I cant wait to see it settled into the new home...
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I think I'm gonna do a new update for everyone! Since I just graduated from Indian River State College this month with an Associate Degee in Nursing I'm officially one test away from getting my Registered Nurse license WooHOO. Well I'm here bored off my ass so I figured hell why not give you all some more eye candy. This will be pretty interesting to many of you but its all pretty cool. Check it out and enjoy!
Nothing special here I just wanted to show off the stock 13B-RE pulleys repainted to a graphite color. http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3...0061528lr9.jpg Here is a custom polished secondary fuel rail built by JR Fabrication & Performance and if you look just underneathe it is the primary fuel rail from a FD motor. The FD3S primary fuel rail was modified to fit the 13B-RE block. As for my injectors I am running Marren 1600cc top-feed injectors for the secondaries and Blitz 850cc side-feed injectors for the primaries. http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4...0061527js8.jpg This is a special piece I found really cool because I was able to see JR Fabrication & Performance make it from a chunk of solid 3" aluminum bar to this beautiful fuel Y-Block. It's mounted onto a custom aluminum bracket underneathe the UIM. As you can also notice the two painted silver bars, in the first picture, are placed to support the UIM. http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5...2061638uz1.jpg http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9...2061637js9.jpg And last....my LS1 coils I got off an 01' Chevy Camaro SS they were basically brand new and best of all free. A previous client of the shop worked for a chevy dealership and they would end up throwing away perfectly good parts everyday. Anyways as you can see I have them mounted to the motor; reason is to decrease the amount of resistance by significantly shortening the wire distance from coils to spark plugs. Matter of fact they lay on the same bracket the Y-Block rests on. As for ignition wires I'm using the red MSD 8.5mm for a Chevy Silverado 1500 (not pictured). http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/6...0061526ov6.jpg http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/8...0061525fs7.jpg I hope everyone is enjoying what I have so far...Feel free to drop a line everyone. Thanks for viewing, I have much more to show!!! |
If you are going for big numbers and want to flow air thru the plenum nicely you may want to have the RE upper mani cut open and grind out the plates that direct air off the TB. I will attach a pic for you.
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Just remember this...
Coils hate 2 things.. vibrations and heat... with them mounted to the engine they will get JUST THAT.. Mount them to the firewall and safe the life of your coils.. trust me I sell coils for SAABS and VW's all day long... all of which are mounted directly on the engine.. I think even the FD guys want to move the coils away from the engine.. and any "gain" you think u may get from having them so close really wont be a gain at all.. plug wires are one of the LEAST hp related items for an engine. Looks great.. |
Thanks for the advice Spooledup. My other friend who has a 10th ann'y has the same exact coil set up and 13B-RE motor. So far his car has been running as a DD for alittle bit over a year and not a problem has occurred yet. Hopefully nothing goes wrong anytime soon.
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sounds very nice. With a real tuner it should make a ton of HP!
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New update for today!!!
Well if I can recall the same time that I was still cleaning the engine bay at my friend's garage the motor was sitting on the stand waiting for me to bring it, it's reconditioned home. During the time of waiting JR Fabrication wanted to experiment on just building some stuff for my motor. We were talking about heat shield wrap for the turbo and down pipe one day and a few days JR fabricated a heat shield made from a sheet of stainless steel. Being that my motor was polished and kinda showy in a way...:dunno: I thought about by a polished oil catch-can off ebay just to add that little extra shine to the rest of the motor. Well again I brought this up to JR and he said to not buy that heavy piece of crap off of ebay, I'll just build you one that 10x's better.A couple months before that happened, our hook up at the Chevrolet dealership was collecting aluminum A/C canisters from some recalls, I believe.Anyways at the shop he took two of those small canisters, cut them in half, welded baffles inside, and then welding them together along with necessities to build a oil-catch can. Here's the custom stainless steel heat shield that blocks direct heat from the turbo and downpipe. http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3...2061630vu9.jpg http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8...2061632fw4.jpg http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4...2061631tf4.jpg And here is my custom polished oil-catch can bolted onto where the A/C compressor bracket was bolted onto. http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8...8061202do0.jpg http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/8...8061201gr1.jpg http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1...8061416wm9.jpg |
Now since that I had the motor ported along with the manifolds, I might as well go ahead and have a throttle body modification done. If you ever get a chance or have seen the differences between the brass throttle plates of the 13BT and the 13B-REW you'll notice a big difference. The REW TB has two big throttle plates in the secondaries and one small throttle plate in the primary, as for the 13BT all the plates are of similar size to the small plate in the REW TB. As you all know already that I'm trying to flow large amounts of air efficiently to feed the motor. Well any ways here at the shop JRFP started to bore out REW TB primaries to have all matching size plates in the primary and secondaries. The draw back of this modification was that I had to buy two FD TB because I could not find anyone that would sell the same exact size brass plate we were searching for. I ended up buying a good used FD TB from Herblenny and stripped TB from an other FD owner in Gainesville, FL awhile back. With this modification it help with the airflow by probably enhanced the primary size by 30% larger.
Here is the original plate on the left and the new plate installed http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/2...5061818dd8.jpg The old plate laying on top of the new one just for you all to see how much the size difference is. http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8...5061819oa0.jpg From the inside http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/343/dcp0290ir0.jpg The FD throttle body all polished on the outside and the inside. http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/3423/dcp0285gw4.jpg The the throttle body installed onto the motor. http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7...2061633tv7.jpg Sorry everyone about the really crappy pictures, but I hope you enjoy.:icon_tup: |
coming along really nice. now u need some elf/total oil in there ha!
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Is that oil any good? Its the first time I've heard of that product brand.
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Comin' along real good. :icon_tup: This thing's gonna be a beast when it's done. :driving:
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hey rotorhead, looking good . hopefully your motor treats you right
next time im in Port st lucie you gotta give me a ride. |
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