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Herblenny 10-17-2008 02:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kane (Post 52837)
I am going to go on a limb and say he is gonna be screwed no matter what happens....

Best he could hope for is to get a Judgement on Scott - but that doesn't mean that he'll pay up.... although I THINK in FL if you have a judgement outstanding you can't get a Drivers Lic.
WOW! i didn't know that...

Well, I don't know Stick's current position and how much he works... but last PM I've received he seems to be pretty busy.

Bottomline, I guess how pissed off Stick is and what kind of time and money he wants to invest getting Scott.

I'll be honest here.... I think on our forum, we would of had less chance something like this happening... I know iTrade function isn't answer for all, but all the issues and problems I've heard about Mazsport, someone would have made negative comments on iTrade and could of help future rotorheads.. hope some of the 7club and 8club members will realize what we have and hope they would make the move.. We have great list of vendors and ultimately this forum is set up to help both parties!! Vendors pay min. fee (NO FEE as donation based) and Rotorheads will save because vendors don't have to tag on extra fee... Also due to iTrade, hope they will strive to keep positive feedback!... win win scenario if you ask me!

Rotorhead John 10-18-2008 01:51 AM
I don't know what happened between Stick and Scott but he just created another thread stating that he's going to continue his project. I guess that's good news. :)

Info here: http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?p=2688182

chrism 10-18-2008 07:02 AM
since stick is some what local to me i offered to take him to some shops that are known up here.....

stickmantijuana 10-18-2008 07:57 AM
hey thanks guys.

for the law side of the story, scott doesn't have much to go after. and since it was a fraud, i may just go through a DA. either way, it's a path i rather not take because in the end, all i'll gain would be a meaningless judgement i can't collect.

i'll update most of my matters here unless the original gets unlocked.

VR8 10-18-2008 12:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stickmantijuana (Post 52949)
hey thanks guys.

for the law side of the story, scott doesn't have much to go after.
Hell, he has a business! It can be yours.

87turbo_turtle 10-18-2008 04:45 PM
and u can change it around.....

Jedi54 10-21-2008 03:07 PM
thread has been reopened by Internet Brands.

Phoenix7 10-21-2008 03:14 PM
so, no resolution came about and the thread was re-opened. Why is everyone praising IB?

Seems to me that this is a straight-cut SCAM. THere can only be one resolution. Scott pays back the balance of the parts he sold according to their FAIR market VALUE. A public apology and some sort of penalty for doing BAD BUSINESS along with the revision of the bill sent to STICK.

Scott owes him money....Stick DROVE his car into the Scott's shop and it never drove out 2 years later. MONEY IS OWED and knees are in danger!

How can anyone see both sides of the story and then say there was no resolution?? What's worse is everyone is praising IB for not doing anything.

Rotorhead John 10-21-2008 03:30 PM
I wonder what IB did with Scott?

Herblenny 10-21-2008 03:55 PM
My guess is IB did NOTHING!!

I also was surprised by the appraise of IB... First of all they shouldn't of closed down the thread.. They could of easily contacted IB during the so called conversation... Closing down for 5 days and then re open because of no resolution??? What is this??

I understand why Stick is hesitant about filing a suit as it could take time.. But I hope he hires a firm who would just rip one out of Mazsport. I would if it was me:) there are plenty of lawyers out there if you give 2/3 of your winning they will take the case.. Look at Gordon's... this case could reach 100+K:)

Phoenix7 10-21-2008 06:34 PM
What the hell??? People are being weird...it's like they're advocating being kept in the dark when it comes to their community and their money.

I was really hoping IB would come back with something of substance when it came to this issue and I was shocked to read there was no resolution yet the rx8 guys/gal are all ok with that. I don't get it.

I hope he gets his car running well soon....I'd hate to be in his shoes. Waiting 2 years only to get half-assed work and still get charged for it.


Imma stop posting for a while....I may have pissed dome people off. I don't get the rx8peeps...they're mildly outraged over this yet they're just accepting things as they are.

Rotorhead John 10-21-2008 09:53 PM
More updates...

Quote:
Originally Posted by stickmantijuana
I have zero problem posting every single detail here.

Let me state again: Scott has no assets--I have no wiser options than this thread at this time.

As for Adrian, he did everything he could to help out on phone and e-mail, and I respect him highly for deciding to reopen the thread. I believe his reasons are quite simple. Adrian reopened this thread because after reviewing both sides of the story, he must have thought that this thread should remain open.

As for Scott, he says he sent me the following: radiator fans, driveshaft endlinks, and shifter linkage. I'll probably get them on the car this coming weekend to see if everything will fit. Once I do, I'll update with photos after I talk to Scott about his invoice, which is still the biggest problem.
Quote:
Originally Posted by stickmantijuana
btw, apparently Scott's been telling people that I'm the one responsible for driving the cost up by ordering bunch of shit for the engine.

Let me be clear.
1. Scott never gave me any option during the engine build process, and I just didn't know enough to request certain part over another.
2. Scott says he spent $2k on the guru shaft upon my request.
3. The story I had been told is this: Scott told me the original e-shaft was BROKEN, and that's why he went with the guru shaft. Keep in mind, Scott charged me over $5000 for the 20b short block anyway.
4. When I asked Scott I wanted the original e-shaft back as a souvenir, he said it was trashed.

Let me be also clear that Scott told me he also trashed the 20b oem housings and rotors because they were ALL damaged. He then went on and charged me hefty brand new Mazda retail price for all the 13b stuff.

So in the end, I was charged over $5000 20b shortblock with broken e-shaft, 3 broken housings, and 3 broken rotors. and I had to buy brand new 13b housing & rotors & seals, etc. etc. at Mazda listed retail price. I don't even know if they're actually new stuff--I'll update once I get the engine rebuilt.

I wrote this just so that some of you can have both sides of the story after talking with Scott on the phone and via private e-mails.
For more info, go here: http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.ph...24#post2693324

Herblenny 10-21-2008 10:11 PM
I guess IB did something... They made a phone call... Hmm.. Why not close down Mazsport's subforum?? Lock it down until they respond or do something?? Wait, i forgot that scammers don't get kicked out of forum:)

Rotorhead John 10-21-2008 10:12 PM
^ lol

Herblenny 10-21-2008 10:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection (Post 53751)
Dammit Phil, if Icy has told you once he has told you a thousand times. Only those who hurt the community, like me, get kicked off the forums.
Sorry Kevin... I totally forgot about Icy's statement... LOL!

Phoenix7 10-21-2008 11:09 PM
Ok, so what the hell happened with the world??

There must have been some sort of universal anomaly when 2007 turned into 2008 that surely sent me into bizarro world. A lot of weird things have been happening all year long...I mean, wtf??

Kane 10-21-2008 11:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection (Post 53749)
stick, if you need someone to look inside the engine and verify what is and is not there/new, feel free to let me know. I will do so for free, as someone with experience in spotting parts and building engines.
That is a stellar offer -

Jedi54 10-23-2008 12:05 AM
that's still an awesome offer

Nexcis 10-23-2008 07:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection (Post 53793)
Well, I guess I should clarify. I will examine the engine externally/through the ports for free, and I will tear it down and examine all the internals (should the buyer want) for free, but to reassemble it I will want at least a little bit in labor. But at least he will know what he has 100% that way, and it's still probably the best option unless he can do it himself (I get the feeling he has never built one before, and thus a custom 3 rotor would not be a good starting point to try his hand on). No use in paying some other shop a few grand to do the job again when I can do it for a couple hundred.
I make notes like these in my little black book of vendors... and that's who I tend to go to when I need something. Those who are willing to go that extra mile for their customers / are ethically and morally a good person.

RotaryProphet 10-23-2008 08:07 AM
Just to show some love to a wronged rotor-head; my shop is willing to do engine dyno tuning of the ECU for the price of the gas. I talked it over with the other owner the other day.

Rotorhead John 10-25-2008 02:50 PM
More updates!

Quote:
Originally Posted by stickmantijuana
Update: Scott sent me radiator fan, drive shaft end links, and some incomplete shifter linkage. Mostly useless stuff from his RX7 pile.

If he doesn't contact me back immediately, I'll take further actions.
Quote:
Originally Posted by stickmantijuana
I plan on taking the transmission out tomorrow to see exactly what clutch I got this weekend. If the end can be viewed from the outside of the engine, some pics would help alot. thanks again.
Quote:
Originally Posted by stickmantijuana
Received radiator fans, used rx7 driveshaft endlinks, and used rx7 shifter housing with no shifter linkage.

I'll now consider hiring a lawyer to take Scott to court. I think I rather loose lawyer retainer fee for a final closure than to waste another year waiting for parts.

If you're considering sending money to Mazsport now, please think twice. Don't say I didn't warn you.

Rotorhead John 10-25-2008 03:15 PM
This is from his "20b must go on" thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by stickmantijuana
weird thing that scott told me was he said I only should use one engine mount on the driver's side and no engine mount on the passenger side. it seemed like a very dumb idea, but i thought i'd ask here before i have someone fab the missing mount for me. scott said something about windshield breaking if i have solid mounts on both sides.

that torque brace that mounts to the front of the engine & to the chassis is made of aluminum and is not very thick. initially scott told me that's all the car needs to hold the engine. he can be right; it just didn't make much sense to me. :dunno: i just wanted to double check here.

i'll take some pics tomorrow & post.
Do you guys think it's a good idea to run with only one engine mount? With the power that the 20b puts out, I don't think one engine mount is going to work with the engine brace that Stick described.

Kane 10-25-2008 03:33 PM
I would NEVER use one mount - I mean come on; common sense dictates that you need to support the weight and strain across as large a part of the car as possible.

Rotorhead John 10-25-2008 03:54 PM
More updates!

Quote:
Originally Posted by stickmantijuana
the only and the biggest problem has been and will always be actually getting on the phone to talk to a lawyer. i work about 16-20hrs/day 6-7 days/wk. current situation makes it extremely difficult for me to do anything outside of my normal life routine.

yesterday, i came home at 2am to 5 msg's from 2 lawyers i had contacted. i called them up this morning, but they're both closed during the weekends. good news is that i've been told i have a case for fraud. so next week, i'll be trying to get in touch with a district attorney which won't cost me anything.

update: driveshaft endlinks mazsport sent were both too big (tried without the seals too--way too big for the output shaft & 4 bolts in the rear) they also have some "click" when i move the joints. they're both doing that, so i'm hoping it's normal. either way, it doesn't fit my tranny or my diff box, so they're both useless. shifter housing, as i had mentioned, is incomplete without any linkages and is useless.

i hope he's having lot of fun pissing me off now.

Rotorhead John 10-25-2008 03:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kane (Post 54648)
I would NEVER use one mount - I mean come on; common sense dictates that you need to support the weight and strain across as large a part of the car as possible.
Shows how much Scott knows about installing engines... I'm never dealing with him ever, and the company, ever again. They make top notch products but the company itself is very shady...

Phoenix7 10-25-2008 06:32 PM
He's making sure he has repeat customers? who knows....That's just me being a pessimist.

I'mm have to se this mount....brb

Phoenix7 10-27-2008 05:56 PM
well, I asked for pics and I'm just waiting on them....It looks like the mototr is just sitting on the member....:dunno:

Rotorhead John 10-27-2008 06:08 PM
Major update!
Quote:
Originally Posted by stickmantijuana
i'm suing mazsport scott. Details are here:
http://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php?...&postcount=223

anyone who has been deceived and/or mistreated by mazsport scott, please pm me with any details. This includes those who have waiting for their service/product currently and those who had experienced any unforeseen delay in receiving mazsport product after your payment.

Actual payment record would be great, but i can also retrieve scott's private and business bank account record, so a payment date (with delayed proof of shipment or your consent for a phone confirmation by a judge and my lawyer) will also be enough to add to my law suit. As for payment record, any cc/check/bank statement record would be sufficient. Btw, i just the relevant line--i don't need the entire page.

I've already posted this in my original thread but since the thread is constantly growing, i believe another thread will be much more visible.

Once we have enough evidence, lawyer retainer fee will be sent by me and i'll update everyone here with another thread on the progress.

Thanks everyone.

MaczPayne 10-28-2008 04:47 PM
Looks like he's gonna get his just deserts.

RXtreme8 10-31-2008 06:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rotorhead John (Post 54644)
Quote:
Originally Posted by stickmantijuana
weird thing that scott told me was he said I only should use one engine mount on the driver's side and no engine mount on the passenger side. it seemed like a very dumb idea, but i thought i'd ask here before i have someone fab the missing mount for me. scott said something about windshield breaking if i have solid mounts on both sides.

that torque brace that mounts to the front of the engine & to the chassis is made of aluminum and is not very thick. initially scott told me that's all the car needs to hold the engine. he can be right; it just didn't make much sense to me. i just wanted to double check here.

i'll take some pics tomorrow & post.
This is from his "20b must go on" thread.

Do you guys think it's a good idea to run with only one engine mount? With the power that the 20b puts out, I don't think one engine mount is going to work with the engine brace that Stick described.
Come on guys. It sounds to me like you're taking the words literally. That he would only have 1 mount. I believe the point Scott was making was that 2 solid aluminum mounts would provide no room for flex, so the chassis would absorb it all. As the front of the frame flexes, the twist is carried to the cockpit, thus potentially causing the window to break. 1 solid mount would suffice but it is implied that the other would be a standard rubber bushing type.

When sitting there both supports are needed. But when accelerating, only One side will be taking the brunt of the force, the other side is more or less holding the engine steady. It's absurd to imply or believe 1 engine mount would suffice. What makes sense is that 1 mount is special, it's solid aluminum.... and the other is just normal.

Jedi54 11-14-2008 11:38 PM
Is Mazsport GONE?!

Their subforum on the 8 club disappeared today
Their website is offline
Their ebay store is no longer there

Here's a thread on the 8 club:
http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.ph...36#post2726536

Phoenix7 11-15-2008 04:54 AM
damn

rotaryextreme 11-15-2008 05:27 AM
double damn

Jedi54 11-15-2008 11:53 AM
so many questions, so few answers.
Scott hasn't posted in WEEKS on the 8 club and then all of a sudden he disappears.

People close to him had been telling us he was taking "holiday time", guess that was code for closing up shop and getting the hell out of town.
If the ebay store and website were down, I could chalk that up to technical errors but having his subforum pulled from the 8 club?! That's only done if Internet brands gives you the BOOT or if you ASK to be removed. Hmmm....

I feel bad for all the people who sent Scott money the past few months and are expecting parts to be shipped out

rotaryextreme 11-15-2008 06:32 PM
In a way I feel bad for Scott. Even though it seems like he brought everything on himself, he just lost his business, his passion, many supporters, reputation.

He will now live forever with the guilt as though he killed someone.

He was apart of somthing good and a business owners nightmare happened.

Nothing is worse in life then being labeld an outcast or a lepor.

Sorry for everyone who got screwed.

Sorry for Scott because his dream has been crushed and now is labeld in the rotary community, but because of his own mistakes.

Brent 11-16-2008 01:28 PM
Wow, I just saw this thread. I hope everything works out for Stick. Sounds like he is taking the proper steps. Best of luck.

Brent

Phoenix7 11-16-2008 03:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rotaryextreme (Post 59134)
In a way I fell bad for Scott. Even though it seems like he brought everything on himself, he just lost his business, his passion, many supporters, reputation.

He will now live forever with the guilt as though he killed someone.

He was apart of somthing good and a business owners nightmare happened.

Nothing is worse in life then being labeld an outcast or a lepor.

Sorry for everyone who got screwed.

Sorry for Scott because his dream has been crushed and now is labeld in the rotary community, but because of his own mistakes.
I almost feel bad for him....almost. We all go through crap, it's part of life. When that happens you should at least let the customer know there are issues that are delaying the project. Finish it ASAP though.

You do not stop the project, say you're working on it, not deliver and THEN charge money for work that was incomplete/never done.

It's just not right. Much like everything that's going on in the community lately. There is a right way and a wrong way to do thing and most people have been doing it wrong. There is always a choice

GreatShamanGT 11-17-2008 12:11 PM
Hope he gets his just desserts (Mazport I mean)

Jedi54 11-17-2008 03:28 PM
I never wished bad things on Scott, it must be tough to go through this but as the old say goes, 'you made your bed, now sleep in it'.

At the end of the day, this comes down to business practices and the consequences for them.
I hope in time, Scott learns from this and that those affected by Mazsport are somehow made whole again. ie; orders fulfilled or money refunded, missing parts returned.

GreatShamanGT 11-17-2008 07:58 PM
I meant, that he pays up for all the people he took money from. If you look on the RX-8club posts about them closing down, you see A LOT of people had paid him $500+ for something and no word from Scott.


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