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TitaniumTT 02-28-2017 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by FC Zach (Post 340010)
Alright, will do.
Alright, currently have one wire (S Terminal) temporarily ran to the battery. "L Terminal" pending till I find the proper resistor and a switched 12v source.

Kewl

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Originally Posted by FC Zach (Post 340010)
Noted. .
No idea, I'll share a picture of it later.
Ten four
I'll look into this

From the factory, that's where the two harnesses meet, down below the masters on the framerail

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Originally Posted by FC Zach (Post 340011)
Test connector? ? was secured to the backside of the fuse block bracket.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3703/3...c7bbc5c5_c.jpg

First thought was AAS and it does look like F-14, AAS connector, pg 50-80

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Originally Posted by FC Zach (Post 340010)
Since this is out and it may not be wise to tap into an unused injector wire in the Ludwig harness, I will search for a different source later down the road. Till then I'll make temporary connections.

That's kinda what I'm thinking.
The Alt charge wire is going to either the fuse block or the battery itself. Either way running them with the charge cable, like the factory did, would be the tidiest way to do it. It's just a matter of finding the proper wires and terminating them in a tidy way.

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Originally Posted by FC Zach (Post 340010)
Oh, I took a picture of the resistors I have laying around. . What are the chances any of these are the right ones?
[img]https://c1.staticflickr.

:rofl: Probably pretty good ;)

infernosg 03-01-2017 09:26 AM

The stock S5 setup had the sense wire (larger white/blue wire) going to the EGI fuse in the main fuse block in the engine bay. The field wire (smaller white/black wire) went to the light in the warning cluster as mentioned previously. I left the field wire alone but since my harness is so cut up I spliced the sense wire into the headlight power circuit. I figure the electrical load increased quite a bit with the lights on so this would be a good source to use to tell the alternator to output more juice.

TitaniumTT 03-01-2017 10:23 AM

Exactly 100% correct. Although... I would check the output at the post on the alt just to make sure that it isn't overcharging.

t_g_farrell 03-02-2017 09:02 AM

Heres a nice page someone did on the alternator swaps and wiring them up.

http://www.rx7.org/public/altxref.html

TitaniumTT 03-03-2017 09:46 AM

Ok, so I went to go take a look at the resistors that I set up.... I did a little heatshrinking over the resistors so I couldn't identify them that way, I should've just ohmed them out, I'll try that tomorrow when I'm back at the shop, in the meatime, Ohms law tells me to start with the 150ohm resistor that you have and measure the voltage at the corresponding pins as per the FSM. There should be 1.2v drop across them

FC Zach 03-06-2017 03:58 AM

I swapped my trans/clutch this weekend and since the power harness was mostly disconnected I went ahead and removed it completely. . thing is haggard to say the least. It wasn't hard for me to pull the loom apart to expose wires since the electrical tape was rotted and crumbled away. The OE alt. wires for the "T" shaped connector were nowhere to be found. .

With this said, I emailed Chris Ludwig asking if this harness is something he can make. . If not, does anyone have any recommendations on where to get this harness or have one made?

TitaniumTT 03-06-2017 01:55 PM

Really simple Zac, locate the FE-03 connector down by the mess over by the masters.

It's a 6 pin connector on the front harness. It will have a B/W and a W/B wire there. Pin them out to make sure they work properly. If they do, than any sort of connector to jump from the FE-03 connector over to the Alt will work just fine. No need for custom harnesses here, as much as I love them ;)

FC Zach 03-07-2017 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 340445)
Really simple Zac, locate the FE-03 connector down by the mess over by the masters.

It's a 6 pin connector on the front harness. It will have a B/W and a W/B wire there. Pin them out to make sure they work properly. If they do, than any sort of connector to jump from the FE-03 connector over to the Alt will work just fine.

Thanks Brian! Regardless of whether I find a harness or not, I may do this. Just to clarify things, this is the wire I will run with a 150ohm resistor correct? What about a diode, I read that it's recommended if wired a certain way but I'm unsure if I need this if run to the wire in the connector mentioned. . . Schawry, I schtooped on deez thangz.

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 340445)
No need for custom harnesses here, as much as I love them ;)

Well, this is really more of a want than a need since the thing is in rough shape. There are exposed wire to the transmission connectors, busted connectors, broken wire/terminals at connectors, and unnecessary/unused connectors.

TitaniumTT 03-07-2017 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by FC Zach (Post 340462)
Thanks Brian! Regardless of whether I find a harness or not, I may do this. Just to clarify things, this is the wire I will run with a 150ohm resistor correct? What about a diode, I read that it's recommended if wired a certain way but I'm unsure if I need this if run to the wire in the connector mentioned. . . Schawry, I schtooped on deez thangz.

Cheers brotha!
Ok, I just thought of another option here....
Since the harness is fucocked right now, what you could do is re-task the leading coil wires since everything you need is right there :awesome:
The leading coil (and this is from memory so bear with me) has two wires that connect to it. G/Y and B/Y. The G/Y should be dead at this point in it's life however, the B/Y is off the main relay and will be hot with the key in the start and run position. So, the B/W wire can be used as the key hot with the resistor wired in place. Then since you're right by the battery anyway, you can connect the "sense" wire directly to the M6 bolt on the fuse block.
As a bonus you can replace the charge cable as well :)

Is your oil pressure gauge and low oil light still functional?

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Originally Posted by FC Zach (Post 340461)
Well, this is really more of a want than a need since the thing is in rough shape. There are exposed wire to the transmission connectors, busted connectors, broken wire/terminals at connectors, and unnecessary/unused connectors.

In that case what I would do is take all the connectors off the factory harness and use some Deutsch DTM connectors to replace all the factory ones.

Also, aside from the reverse switch, the other two switchs are no longer needed.

FC Zach 03-08-2017 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 340472)
Cheers brotha!
Ok, I just thought of another option here....
Since the harness is fucocked right now, what you could do is re-task the leading coil wires since everything you need is right there :awesome:
The leading coil (and this is from memory so bear with me) has two wires that connect to it. G/Y and B/Y. The G/Y should be dead at this point in it's life however, the B/Y is off the main relay and will be hot with the key in the start and run position. So, the B/W wire can be used as the key hot with the resistor wired in place. Then since you're right by the battery anyway, you can connect the "sense" wire directly to the M6 bolt on the fuse block.

I like this, sounds simple enough!

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 340472)
As a bonus you can replace the charge cable as well :)

I'd like to replace the whole thing, everything is brittle.

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 340472)
Is your oil pressure gauge and low oil light still functional?

Pressure, yes but oil level is disconnected.

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 340472)
In that case what I would do is take all the connectors off the factory harness and use some Deutsch DTM connectors to replace all the factory ones.

eh, I'd rather have this done by someone with all the tools and materials already in hand.

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 340472)
Also, aside from the reverse switch, the other two switchs are no longer needed.

True, I didn't have them connected on the last tranny.

FC Zach 03-08-2017 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by t_g_farrell (Post 340205)
Heres a nice page someone did on the alternator swaps and wiring them up.

http://www.rx7.org/public/altxref.html

I meant to comment on this last week. . . This would be a great write-up/how-to but that's assuming one has all the OE wiring intact, not the case for me so I'll be building from scratch.

Thanks for the info though, it did help.

TitaniumTT 03-08-2017 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by FC Zach (Post 340525)
I like this, sounds simple enough!
I'd like to replace the whole thing, everything is brittle.

30 yo wiring is crispy?!?! Say it isn't so ;)

It should be relatively simple, I can only think of 5 wires you needs. Alt charge, Alt control *2, oil pressure and oil level. They should all be on that FE-03 connector

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Originally Posted by FC Zach (Post 340525)
eh, I'd rather have this done by someone with all the tools and materials already in hand.

Welp, you can go here (I've been doing business with Joe for a LONG time) and get the kits of the connectors https://prowireusa.com/c-76-deutsch-...ctor-kits.aspx

Just order them with the solid pins. Then you just need this little guy
https://prowireusa.com/p-1813-deutsc...rimp-tool.aspx

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Originally Posted by FC Zach (Post 340525)
True, I didn't have them connected on the last tranny.

There's no need. I just break the wires off at the switch.

C. Ludwig 03-10-2017 06:27 AM

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FC Zach 03-10-2017 08:44 AM

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^ Can't see on desktop or phone. . However I was able to see the shared pic from my email notification.

This it?
http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...6&d=1489153450

FC Zach 03-10-2017 08:50 AM

I like that, is very useful. There's no gray area. . It is: Do it this way or this could happen. Pretty cut and dry, that's what I was looking for.


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