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project86 02-01-2015 08:52 AM

Maybe you can get mazda interested ;)

RICE RACING 02-01-2015 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by project86 (Post 299349)
Maybe you can get mazda interested ;)

They are way too expensive in material and processing to make for OEM to be interested.

The special work alone in processing is over 20 hours work in each set, they would never be down for that. They cost me allot! but money was no object in coming up with a solution I found acceptable.

Mazda on the other hand have a very different design brief, lowest cost, durability, safety factor, and power limit many orders lower.

I can make the Mazda seal for around $15 a piece (main beam and corner), the material is basic shit, the hardening of the tip is 'simple', the finish is average. I am sure they get it made for less than that. For the application they are o.k. (just) and I am sure Mazda can make it for less than I could? outsourcing to Mahle or similar company..... either way they make an absolute killing on the parts when selling it to end users, that is a fact.

RICE RACING 02-01-2015 07:55 PM

Back to the thread!

Not long to go now people, if you want this then show me the money!
Will go to ones who have emailed already.

Thanks

RICE RACING 02-06-2015 02:16 AM

Almost ready !!!!! Want some ?????

:coolgleamA: :fawk: :auto:

http://i.imgur.com/FMJlwJ6.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/jlHa6uv.jpg

Fendamonky 02-06-2015 06:58 AM

Where's the "Like" button??? :)

RICE RACING 02-06-2015 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Fendamonky (Post 300094)
Where's the "Like" button??? :)

Only 'gag factor' button, ask TTT he knows where it is ;)

TitaniumTT 02-06-2015 07:06 PM

:smilielol5: Gag Factor Button AKA Tonsils :rofl:

Fendamonky 02-06-2015 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RICE RACING (Post 300175)
Only 'gag factor' button, ask TTT he knows where it is ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 300185)
:smilielol5: Gag Factor Button AKA Tonsils :rofl:

:awesome: AND doing that comes with its own warm reward :lol:

RICE RACING 02-10-2015 07:01 PM

Some finished pics due today/tomorrow :) :auto:
Also latest batch of apex seals too, once things slow down a bit I'll have these always on hand, ready to go. New Year always a shit time to get things sorted :icon_no2:

RICE RACING 02-10-2015 09:51 PM

Just some quick pics before I ship these out to big Japan workshop

http://i.imgur.com/sF1GX74.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/fhiqk6Y.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/0GbPSTw.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/y6E3EUs.jpg

speedjunkie 02-10-2015 10:11 PM

Would you ever think about making a 1pc version?

RICE RACING 02-10-2015 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedjunkie (Post 300481)
Would you ever think about making a 1pc version?

I can make anything for peoples requirements not a problem, but no I would not make one piece (or should say offer them as a solution) as the sealing has a leak path.

Mine are so good that there is no leak path, zero, :bowdown: no need for run in or any bullshit like that. BUT its very very very hard to make them as well as I have.

I'd rather suggest people run a semi PP motor than a full bridge just to get around the shitty one piece seal idea as you just loose too much performance with them.

speedjunkie 02-12-2015 01:37 PM

Did not know that. Thanks for the info!

RICE RACING 02-12-2015 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedjunkie (Post 300654)
Did not know that. Thanks for the info!

no worries, there is allot more info I could share but dont want to look like Howard Coleman LOL.

speedjunkie 02-13-2015 12:35 AM

Oh come on, you could be like the anti-HC lol.

RICE RACING 02-17-2015 07:26 AM

All O'rings have arrived for COP Adaptors, will be a little while longer till I have the finished items, been snowed under!

quick update.

FC Zach 03-04-2015 11:56 PM

Anxiously waiting :toetap05: :cheers2:

RICE RACING 03-05-2015 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FC Zach (Post 302624)
Anxiously waiting :toetap05: :cheers2:

*should* be finished tomorrow! :dunno:

Pantera EFI 03-17-2015 08:50 PM

Ign-1, Ign-1a, Ign-1cd
 
Hi Peter, your brackets look great!

I am of GREAT concern with your "pictured" coil boot design.

The coil boot MUST by long enough to contact the steel of the fitted spark plug.
YOUR design allows for an Air Gap that will conduct the spark AWAY from the inside of the plug!

The use of MY IGN-x (a coil family), your pictured IGN-1A AND the IGN-1CD, MUST be kept to HIGH STANDARD.

Thus please correct your boot design.

Lance

chibikougan 03-17-2015 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pantera EFI (Post 304386)
Hi Peter, your brackets look great!

I am of GREAT concern with your "pictured" coil boot design.

The coil boot MUST by long enough to contact the steel of the fitted spark plug.
YOUR design allows for an Air Gap that will conduct the spark AWAY from the inside of the plug!

The use of MY IGN-x (a coil family), your pictured IGN-1A AND the IGN-1CD, MUST be kept to HIGH STANDARD.

Thus please correct your boot design.

Lance



Are you saying that not covering the whole ceramic of the plug and the boot directly contacting the metal it will cause spark away from the inside of the plug?

RICE RACING 03-17-2015 09:12 PM

There is a silicone boot extension cover to address Lances concern and any customer who wants to do that, its all supplied in each system.
NOTE: many plugs used by various people means no one boot will fit all as they interchange.

Along with Molycote 111 to full line the insides of all ridges and pockets to make it perfectly sealed.

Thanks.

chibikougan 03-17-2015 09:21 PM

Haha not using Moly or Dielectric compound on an ignition...


Stalker from EFI 101?

RICE RACING 03-17-2015 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chibikougan (Post 304390)
Haha not using Moly or Dielectric compound on an ignition...


Stalker from EFI 101?

He means well,

All the stuff is there, the 'grease' I use since 1993 its a non hardening silicone, again there if customers want to use it.

chibikougan 03-17-2015 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RICE RACING (Post 304392)
He means well,

All the stuff is there, the 'grease' I use since 1993 its a non hardening silicone, again there if customers want to use it.


Cool was wondering....

Pantera EFI 03-18-2015 10:23 AM

Coil Boot Style
 
Chibi, YES you are correct.

We use my CO-2 pressure chamber to "fire" a Spark Plug as it would be under the "pressure" of a running engine.

WHAT I HAVE FOUND is that the Spark Energy will LEAK out at that area causing miss-fire.

Lance

Prodigy 03-18-2015 01:08 PM

Lance, if the boot is not able to reach down to the metal of the plug, what is the best way of trying to contain the energy?

Slightly excessive amount of die electric grease, what let irons are there...


J.

Pantera EFI 03-22-2015 09:45 AM

Spark Plug Boot Design
 
FIRST, my data is MOST OFTEN observed, tested, retested, by the use of my CO-2 Spark Plug pressure chamber firing bench.
This allows for ACTUAL running engine test conditions without damage to the engine.

I have NEVER tested a "dual" boot design. (two boots connected at a parting line)

MY reason is the development of the FireCore 50/250 8.5mm spark plug wire showed HV leaks with others 10mm wire.
What was found: When the insulator diameter was increased from 8mm-10mm, a greater chance of a "pin-hole" size hole was present.
ALL who produce the silicon jacket over the wire conductor have the same problem, its just that the 10mm size allows for the pin hole to be more common.
This "pin-hole" allows the HV to leak out into the air with lower energy passed to the end of the wire.
The WITNESSED observation is seen as a Corona on the outside of the wire.
I should add that my tests where with the use of the IGN-1A coil@400psi. of CO-2.

Reason would state ANY tear, pinhole, cut, "dual-boot" design would cause a HV leak.

Lance

chibikougan 03-22-2015 12:20 PM

Unless you use a simple amount you would always use of Dielectric or Moly compound. Like you would on any ignition system. Especially I High Performance Ignition..

Use common SNES and you will have no problems.


You forced conditions with an airgap if the airgap is sealed it will not happen correct?

Pantera EFI 03-22-2015 05:54 PM

Pressure Test of Plug Boot
 
Correct ? : UNKNOWN

One method, my method, would be to do the test using my CO-2 Chamber.

Would you be able to set the parameters for YOUR test ?

Lance

chibikougan 03-22-2015 08:19 PM

Its as simple as driving and inspecting the ignition system for Carbon Tracking.

It is very simple to see and to fix the issue. I think I read it in a book from the 50s.

Part of proper regular maintenance.

infernosg 03-23-2015 08:49 AM

So... any news on the ETA of these? Anxiously waiting as I HATE my current lead configuration!

FC Zach 03-23-2015 08:52 AM

Yep, same here. . . :toetap05:

RICE RACING 03-23-2015 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by infernosg (Post 304931)
So... any news on the ETA of these? Anxiously waiting as I HATE my current lead configuration!

Yes I know........
Had a slight delay, have been doing heat treatment of springs (job in itself) as I do all of them myself.
Hoping this time next week I'll smash up a completed assembled IGN-1A unit and for those who have asked me for COP Adaptors and complete units will then take an order and get there items made.

To make them after the first runs (which I am testing) is pretty straight forward process, hopefully more speedy.

I appreciate your patience. I am as keen as all of you!

Pantera EFI 03-23-2015 09:45 AM

Engine Miss-Fire Detection
 
The "frankenstein" effect (Carbon Tracking) WILL cause miss-fire which is VERY DANGEROUS to ANY engine.
Constant engine miss-fire causes the "trace" of a conduction path to be easily observed after MANY firings creating the ground circuit destroying the plug boot.
Many times this was the cause of a "blown-up" engine.

WE see the result of miss-fire in the GUI of my ECU-882C after counting the acceleration rate of my 60-2 crankshaft TW.
This is at the first miss-fire hopefully before engine damage can occur.
We have used this method for OVER THIRTY years, as due all OEM's from 2006 on as the patent expired, its the law.

MY hope for those users here that may fit my coils is NOT to explode their engine.

Thus my offer stands, I will gladly test a boot/wire/etc. in my CO-2 chamber without damage to a running engine.

Lance

Fendamonky 03-23-2015 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pantera EFI (Post 304941)
The "frankenstein" effect (Carbon Tracking) WILL cause miss-fire which is VERY DANGEROUS to ANY engine.
Constant engine miss-fire causes the "trace" of a conduction path to be easily observed after MANY firings creating the ground circuit destroying the plug boot.
Many times this was the cause of a "blown-up" engine.

WE see the result of miss-fire in the GUI of my ECU-882C after counting the acceleration rate of my 60-2 crankshaft TW.
This is at the first miss-fire hopefully before engine damage can occur.
We have used this method for OVER THIRTY years, as due all OEM's from 2006 on as the patent expired, its the law.

MY hope for those users here that may fit my coils is NOT to explode their engine.

Thus my offer stands, I will gladly test a boot/wire/etc. in my CO-2 chamber without damage to a running engine.

Lance

What coils are those Lance?

Perhaps start a different thread where you can go deep in the weeds on this subject (as you're obviously passionate about it) without necessarily derailing the current thread in the process.

Cheers,

Levi

Pantera EFI 03-23-2015 09:19 PM

IGN-1A Coil Boot & Bracket Design
 
Hi Levi, THIS thread is about Peters coil brackets AND boots for the IGN-1 coil family.
The brackets he machines look to be fine !

HOW am I "in the weeds" ?

Lance

Fendamonky 03-24-2015 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pantera EFI (Post 305061)
Hi Levi, THIS thread is about Peters coil brackets AND boots for the IGN-1 coil family.
The brackets he machines look to be fine !

HOW am I "in the weeds" ?

Lance

Your initial concern, that Peters COP adapter didn't form fit to isolate the steel tip from the insulator, leaving an air gap has been addressed by Peter. Since then just about every post of yours so far has harped on YOUR CO2 chamber, YOUR extensive testing, and/or YOUR coils.

Your posts have left the original subject of this thread and are meandering over to your own subject. This is not necessarily a bad thing, but I think your subjects warrant their own thread instead of piggybacking on Peters thread.

That is how you're wandering "in the weeds" :biggthumpup::cheers2:

RICE RACING 03-26-2015 07:04 PM

ok I have all parts finished, will take some pics later on today my time, busy with seals that have to be sent to customers so this will have to come second.

*they look great* and work nice :302:
later today/early tomorrow will get in touch with customers who have emailed me about various systems and parts to organize their items, thanks.

Peter

RICE RACING 03-26-2015 11:29 PM

your mumma

FC Zach 03-27-2015 12:40 AM

Stuff looks great! now. . .
https://www.sierrawestscalemodels.co...ad/13/6953.jpg


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