Poke and stretch..the way of the future.
 

Ok, first of all, this bugs me. Phoenix, you're a good guy, but you need to stop telling people what to do.

I know you might not like something, but don't go dis-owning a fellow rotary guy just because of something like that. you can complain,but dont try to force your opinion onto others because you dont understand or dissagre with someone's style. As a new member, I dont want someone to feel pressured into doing or not doing certain modifications just because they feel their club wont approve... this happens on a lot of forums, and I don't want this one to end up like that.

:lol: max...I believe I PLEADED for him to not fuck up his car by doing the current attention-whore fad...That hardly qualifies as telling him what to do or disowning him. Take a step back and don't be so defensive. If you do things in search of approval then you're doing it wrong. If you do it cuz you like it then you really shouldn't care what I or the "rest of the club" (as you claim) approves of or not. Just keep in mind that most people here are trying to get away from the plague known as the Rx7club.

Edit: please don't tell me you're doing the damn stretch and poke BS fad!???!!
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it's my car... and I cant afford anything close to hellaflush shit.... haha, so no, but I wanna, damnit. :D

And you just cant lie to yourself that this is NOT good wheel fitment:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Eq3gwnWHjU.../IMG_9119r.jpg

lol, I'd be lying if I say it looks nice. I love the wheels but the stretch and poke is nasty...Needs more tire to fix the extra lip on the wheels...isn't that the East Coast guy that ripped his bumper off while driving on the streets? Funniest thing though: the Japanese tuners begand doing stretch and poke because they couldn't afford tires (as often as needed too since they were shredding them constantly) and here you are saying that's why you're doing it!!

I hate the current stretch and poke fad.


Stretch and poke =
http://evofh1l.devhub.com/img/upload/tool_girls.jpg



Also, if you want to continue the argument make a new thread so we don't derail this guy's INTRO thread.

Are my eyes weird or what for liking curved sidewalls on tires more than box sidewalls?

I dunno, a long time ago, I saw a civic that had streched tires and flush wheels. It looked wrong, unnatural, and like the guy fitted really shitty rims on his car.... a long time passed, and the longer I looked at cars, the more I noticed that cars I used to like actually had terrible wheel fitment and looked like shit now.

The thing is, sure it may be a fad right now, but "tusda-ichi" happened a long time ago in Japan, as well as European countries like Germany, where the tire tread has to be within the stock fenders for the car to be street legal. Also, there ARE quite a few ugly ass hellaflush cars, but when it's done right, you know it when you see it, you just gotta re-train your eyes a bit to see things in a different light.


I'm not for doing crazy impossible fitment, but some spacers, fender rolling, and lower ride height will make ANY newer passenger car looks 1,000,000 times better than stock.

Today, I took tires off a stock 17x7 rim (215-45-17) and put them on a 17x8 rim. On the 8" wheel, the sidwall had some babystretch going on, and compared to how the profile of the same tire on the slimmer wheel looks, I think the stretched look is sexy as hell.

It depends on what brand/size/style of tires you stretch and by how much, but if you do it right, I don't see a reason to bitch about it?????

and, no, that's a midwest guy who's also Russian and drives an FC and loves drifting. It's like we're long lost brothers or something.

Yes, there are two of us in the same state, how awesome is that?

EDIT: Have you looked at herblenny's FD recently? Even he's got a bit of stretch and poke going on, and his car looks great!

your eyes are fine...it's your brain. :rofl:

Rims left totally exposed to curb rash damage
Tires distorted
higher inflation pressures to prevent excessive wear on the edges of the tread surface
Rough choppy ride due to higher inflation requirements
Threat of the tire coming off the bead if impacted

THe offsets on our wheels are chosen for these cars for a reason and I'm sure running hella low offsets isn't optimal for our cars (bearings, suspension...) since teh load is moved further OUTWARD.

THe stiffer sidewall doesn't allow for the tire to move as it would optimally and the side to side movement is passed on to the suspension and wears out the parts faster...

Sound like a great plan?? The whole point of owning a 7 is it's handling and most of the fad followers are ruining that from teh get-go.

Forget teh past...undersized tires on oversized wheels are the way of the future.

Poke and stretch..the way of the future.
 

In the end it's your property and you're free to do as you please...kinda like beating your wife when she's out of line. Just don't expect anyone to approve of it even when other wife-beaters are egging you on.

Well, the argument is that it's not like you can legaly utilize 100% of your cars performance on the street anyway, so why not make it look good if you only drive it once a week or so?

Besides, I know plenty of people that are running simmilar setups and have NO problems at all with most of that except for excessive wear, but since a lot of these people also drift, it's not like tire life matters anyway.

I guess the whole stretch thing is for people that just want to enjoy their cars and dont take outright performance as seriously as some of the club racer types.

Oh, and I can you change the name of the thread? <_<

you're right...why don't they make it look good?

If there is ONE problem then they can't have "no problems at all," right?


if it's a street car then tire life DOES matter...If it's a drift day then you're right, they're gonna destroy at least 3 sets of tires and the judges want you to "look good and pretty" while out on the drift course.


the whole point of RX7s is their performance under normal driving and under hard driving conditions...

WHat you SHOULD have said: "I guess the whole stretch and poke thing is for people who don't care about handling characteristics and would rather look good than anything else."

What would you like me to change the title to?

Oh here's my new sig for bimmerforums (FULL of stretch and poke people):
http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...1&d=1279951444

SOrry man, I know you like the new fad but it's too funny to me. I know others will chime in and argue some more but I think I've said all I wanted to say already.

Also, are you SURE that's not the risky devil FC? I'm sure he messed up his kit because of the wheels/slam.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Eq3gwnWHjU.../IMG_9119r.jpg

What are the specs on his wheels?

I'm sorry, all I can think about for this one is "POKE" LOL.

Max, I'm from Southern Illinois originally. Where are you specifically? I'll be home in October, but I have fat tires on my car so I'm not sure you would approve LOL.

I like this pic:
http://fc3spro.com/hellaflush.jpg

"Style" is subjective.
Expect CRITICISM when anything is subjective.
Do NOT argue you're doing it for performance.


-Ted

haha, that's NOT hella flush tho. Damn stanceworks bastards and drifters for ruining "hella flush."

Flush = tire and wheel are flush
Hella Flush = wheel, tire AND fender are all flush...not the retarded shit passing for "cool" these days.

:banghead: :cuss: :leaving:

http://www.funny-games.biz/images/pi...ch-tunning.jpg
http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/attach...1&d=1271067120
The poke and stretch crowd in a few years...:lol::lol:

lol... What ever happened to spinners anyway? I miss those bad! They were the most awesomest cool that there ever was. :)





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Man I hate this bullshit stance stuff thats going on. I also wish we could ban the term hella flush off this website. Keep that for the homo club I mean 7 club

Do they make 185's in 18in diameter? I want to look cool in the RX-8.

:D

The red FC is one of the Risky Devil cars from Chi-town. If you are going to be drifting & you make no power then stretched tires make it easier to spin, but for the street it is just not a good idea. Hit a bump or pothole & say good buy to your tire, maybe even the wheel. Since most of the guys doing this, not just FC owners decide that having body panels that don't fit correctly, slammed on the ground body damage & usually mis matched paint if any at all I guess stretching the tires isn't going to hurt the looks of the car anymore. To each his own & good luck in however you build you car just don't claim that this is the right way of doing things, like some try to do. BTW the only thing I'm going to stretch & poke is what is between a woman's legs.

I agree flush is flush and full fender well looks better then one with excessive gaps. Tire, Wheel, and Fender should all be in a straight line. I ordered some 100 spokes for a buick that I had back in the day and the tires were stretched on them. yep, was sitting drug dealer style, which I do not recommend unless you enjoy attention from the boys in blue.

I did not like the look or the reliability of them. I hit a construction zone and bent the crap out of one of my wheels (inside and outside lip), bouncing me against the ceiling in the process. I would not recommend stretched tires on rims, it doesn't look right because it's not right.

When it's said and done, you live and learn. So if you would rather learn at your own expense then by all means go ahead.

"Hellaflush" is hella played out, damn they got me sayin it now

qft

I treat my tirez like condoms baby. Stretch, poke, flush, repeat.

wow.... so much hate.

So, as one man once said, "Why so serious?"

Do you think that everyone cares that much? People don't do it for performance, they're just out to have fun, do stuff that doesn't make sense, and live life. Why does it always have to be "you cant do this" you cant do that", etc? If you dont get it, dont do it, no one says YOU have to, right? Some people joy in the fact that others don't understand their cars, they know who they built it for, and they dont care... So if you don't have anything nice to say, then please shut the fuck up?

Thank you.

Good example of a legit post, thanks rotordad. No hate, no badmouthing, no bullshit. Just an honest opinion and commentary on the subject.



PS: Also, the pics you posted, wtf is that? That is not cool nor does it look good... please dont throw everyone else in with those cars you posted.

I think you need to take a look in the mirror...

Granted, we might not be talking about you, personally, but much of the contigent that you're defending are a bunch of morons.
You can check the Evil Forum if you don't know what I'm talking about.

Like I said before, it's a subjective thing.
Like with anything that has to do with STYLE, you're going to get negative comments.
Deal with it.
Only babies go crying wah-wah-wah about all the harsh words.

I don't like it when people push THEIR idea of what is "cool" or "good" onto me.
That's when I get annoyed.
I find it annoying when these dori boyz argue that running stretch is BETTER PERFORMANCE - BULLSHIT.
Get the picture?


-Ted

You seem to have the most upset sounding post yet. One might think people were poking fun of your g/f. :001_005:

To have a good conversation over opinions, you are going to have some disagreement. If you believe that your opinion trumps all others, you need to keep in mind that everyone feels that way, and wars are started over such thinking. As another man once said, "Can't we all get along?".

The problem that I have with alot of these guys is not thier car, but the way they think. At the end of the day no matter how I feel it's thier car & it's up to them how to mod it. Now the trying to argue with me that thier set up is superior to mine with out having any idea of what they are talking about is simply annoying & it seems to happen more often than it should. I don't usually make bad comments on others cars unless they ask for it by talking shit or going overboard with negative comments on my cars which I seem to get alot from the drift guys. So all in all it's not the car or the trend, but the fools who follow such trends without knowing why & want to act like asses that make things a problem.

Yup, that's the biggest blood boiler for me regarding this subject too. These little fan boi fad followers who think that tires that don't fit, japtrash aero scraping the gnd, ziptied body parts, and suspensions tha don't move are all the ways of the future and they're on the cutting edge trying to push thier view on everyone else. I hate it.

I love when I call them all out on it and ask them to come to a track with a timer and all of a sudden the subject changes.

I'm of the thought that my opinion trumps all others when it's been PROVEN to be more than an opinion.... things like a 255/40/17 mounted on a 17x9 will give you more traction that an 195/40/17 mounted on a 17x12..... that's pretty common knowledge as far as I'm concerned yet they keep on rolling with thier whack ass setups being better for performance.

once again, speaking the truth, preaching to the choir for some, and to others, it's landing on deaf ears.

well, there you have it...


/thread.

you obviously care since you're getting pissy over the fact we think it looks retarded...Nobody said YOU CAN'T DO THIS...it's more like: "Ha, that's stupid and they think they are the shit! :lol:"



amen brother...Can't say I like the fanbois...just waiting for the next racing fad to take over so they can move on (cuz that's what all the cool ppl will be doing). Sadly we're a few years away from that so we gotta put up with it. I'm just very happy to see that I'm not the only one who thinks it's stupid and doesn't want to see those kind of people here...let them populate the stanceworks, vwvortex, hondatech and rx7club forums.




sometimes a pic is worth a thousand words and that's pretty much where the stretch and poke and the retard camber is going...just wait and see. The Japanese people started it, the VW ppl copied it and soon it'll be the hottest import scene especially among the fad followers/drifters.

Did you even read all my posts? or did you only focus on the "hate?" what are your thoughts on posts #6 and 7

This is right up there with wearing baggy pants that hand halfway down to your kneecaps. Such a desire to show everybody what kind of underwear you're sporting, and couldn't run (hell, they can't even walk without holding onto them) if your life depende on it.

I just can't relate to it man... And I agree, it's not the fact that they're doing it, it's the state of mind that makes one think they're actually cool for doing it.

I'm so glad that this trend is not all that common around me. I couldn't see me trying to have a decent conversation with the owner. No I'm not saying that all who fit in this category are asshats, but I wouldn't be suprised if they were. The sad thing is as with anything in life a select few mess things up for the majority, so to anyone who feel the need to stretch thier tires. "Do what you do, but don't be a dick about it"

I have sein some great vw's with stretched tires that looks great, i had heard they started doin that to decrease tire squirm but id think more rubber on the pavement would be better.

I reduce tread squirm by shaving tires

For drifting I stretch, for a track day I got my slicks. ;)

its all about the look, not performance


http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/6718/dsc03562x.jpg

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how else can you fit a 6" lip? stretch the tire like tyrone stretches a trojan!

Ahhhhhh....

So you want the least amount of rubber and the widest, and thus heaviest, wheel you can fit under there just for looks...

I get it... :117:


-Ted

Well you can always go widebody, it worked for me! :D There's also the option to tub the car.

you got it! its all about the application :)
my drag car has the lightest wheels available (15"X11")with a 26"X12"X15" drag slicks mounted on it in the rear, 15"X3" skinnies up front..
the customers road race car has a wide body to get the car as low as possible and it has 10" goodyear slicks on some super light ccw's 16"X10"

BTW, the red seven sports work meister's, they are a lightweight wheel considering how wide they are.. its not like a 22" wheel off an escalade ;)

get it now?

some customers cars with wheel fitment choice per application

its all good at the shack!!! poked,stretched, tubbed, flared, as long as its rotary powered!

Sounds good to me, but alot of the dipshits running around within the trend will be quick to insult another car not following suit. It's been said many times before do what you will to your car, but don't try to push your style on others as being the right way to do things.

This is, bar none, the cleanest, best looking, raddest fist gen in the universe!

/thread.

Actually would look cool with some flares and those trippy fender mirrors though, kinda like a 240z!