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12arotary 04-06-2011 10:35 PM

82 gsl Diesel swapped
 
I've been working on this a while. Some people hate it, some people like it, but everyone asks why :lol:

It's a 1982 GSL with a 2.2 4cyl Perkins diesel engine out of a mazda b2200 pick up truck that I had bought to fix my b2200's bad trans. The guy i bought the truck from made me buy the whole thing, because of that i then had a spare engine and with my gsl being engine-less at the time the two just went together. Aerodynamic rx7+ durable efficient diesel, seems like a pretty good combo and then add in free fuel and i couldn't say no
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...ry/diesel2.jpg

This is the engine mated to a 12a trans, Mazda is awesome and the trans bellhousings engine side are the only difference- completely bolts together no modification.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...ry/diesel6.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...y/SAM_0376.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3.../Rx7-82006.jpg
Here's the car
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...k/SAM_0336.jpg
Engine mounts-
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...y/SAM_0379.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...k/SAM_0350.jpg
mounted in


Two tank veggie oil system using a 12 gallon fuel cell.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...k/SAM_0236.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...k/SAM_0693.jpg
Diesel in the regular tank and this surge tank with float switch to keep air out of the lines.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...k/SAM_0694.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...y/SAM_0470.jpg
S4 Turbo on, I'm sticking with stock s4 waste-gate spring that way i do not need any sort of boost fuel enrichment as simply turning up the injection pump a little bit does the trick. Since i will be running in surplus air my efficiency should go up a lot,
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...y/SAM_0497.jpg


This is as far as i am currently, I have a hood... that i cut a big hole into due to the height of the engine , a cowl will eventually go on because right now it just looks ridiculous I still have to install my fuel heat exchanger, plumb the intercooler and pipe, finish the exhaust and i'm good to go-

djmtsu 04-07-2011 07:41 AM

I'm sorry........


But that is AWESOME!

I only approve because it has Mazda bloodlines. If you stuck a diesel from something else, I would be upset.

And yes, come to DGRR. Our FB's look very similar, except for the powertrain of course!

Jwteknix 04-07-2011 08:37 AM

very cool

FC Zach 04-07-2011 09:19 AM

Saaaweeeeet!

RotorDad 04-08-2011 09:37 PM

Pretty damn cool man!

12arotary 04-10-2011 12:11 AM

Thanks for the complements!

Prodigy 04-10-2011 11:59 AM

Totally, totally Badass...


J.

hoang5659 04-14-2011 03:13 PM

got any pix or vids of it running? that is a sweet project man! good job!

12arotary 04-14-2011 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoang5659 (Post 146632)
got any pix or vids of it running? that is a sweet project man! good job!



i've been busy but all i have left is plumbing the intercooler finishing the fuel heater and i should be good to go- I also have to figure out how exactly i go about getting a tach signal so i can use the stock tach... damn diesels and their lack of electrical use!

88turboii 04-22-2011 07:29 AM

thats awesome.. let me guess the wire you were holding was power to the glow plugs? haha

I like it a lot, it should get some great gas mileage! I love how diesels are a lot easier to tune than gassers.. there is just one rule: more fuel means more power.. until you melt the engine

i have an 83 300d too. the only problem is they are big an heavy, unlike your FB!

you have to bring it to deals gap

12arotary 04-22-2011 10:04 PM

yup thats the wire to the glow plugs, I've since wired that to a button. All i have to do now is wait for my new glow plugs and i should be good I had some issues with the old turbo

Pete_89T2 04-23-2011 06:21 AM

Nice work, and some innovative conversion engineering you have going on there! I assume you had to mod the filler neck on the stock FB tank to take a standard diesel fuel nozzle?

12arotary 04-24-2011 10:48 PM

The diesel nozzle really isn't that much bigger and should fit fine, i just can't fill up in the semi truck diesel lane

fc3sfreak415 05-20-2011 03:53 PM

i have to say im very impressed!!!

Force13b 05-20-2011 06:17 PM

:lol: I love it

12arotary 05-24-2011 11:15 AM

Thanks for the compliments!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQySJPEP0Rs first start

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmHcbYk6EQQ video now running!

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...k/SAM_1013.jpg





I made a video driving it around but it won't load onto youtube for some reason-
it runs and drives great i now have the intercooler pipping hooked up unlike in the video. I still have a few pretty major things to do like find a new rear as the final drive ratio isn't very good for 65mph on the highway top speed was around 80 but the engine was screaming, I think 3.90 rear is a little high i need to find a rear closer to 3.3- It also has more vibration at idle than i would like the rubber mounts i used aren't quite thick enough so should be a simple fix. It still needs glow plugs too i've been cold starting with a hair dryer :coolgleamA:


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...k/SAM_1019.jpg
yes i do realize my hood is crazy I was bored and had extra spray paint and masking tape, it got out of hand :biggthumpup: luckily this is just the screw around stage i'm going to build a cowl and paint it

12arotary 05-28-2011 12:36 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSiqPDJIc4E On the road! :hurray:

Monkman33 05-28-2011 01:20 AM

wow. not going to lie, that's pretty cool. i like the fact that its all still mazda. :-)

djmtsu 05-30-2011 09:46 AM

This is great. I want to see it shred the tires with the diesel torque!!

Someone needs a windshield and dash cap :)

12arotary 05-30-2011 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmtsu (Post 150150)
This is great. I want to see it shred the tires with the diesel torque!!

Someone needs a windshield and dash cap :)


i'll fix the windshield when i have everything perfect so it doesn't get broken by the engine lift again haha

Pele 06-01-2011 05:02 PM

Interesting...

How's the acceleration and how's the weight of the Perkins compare to the 12A?
Considering a swap into a 2nd gen.

12arotary 06-01-2011 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pele (Post 150485)
Interesting...

How's the acceleration and how's the weight of the Perkins compare to the 12A?
Considering a swap into a 2nd gen.

acceleration is pretty good surprisingly and pulls a lot harder than the 12a did at a much lower rpm, i'm going to swap rear's to a 3.27 from the 3.90 to make it better on the highway, which will slow it down too. it enters boost at around 2k so right where i want it- I never weighed the engine its self but if i had to guess id say it was a good 100lbs heavier including the turbo, the suspension stayed level and you really don't feel the extra weight I like it though it feels like it should have come in this car in the first place which is always a good thing

plus if i didn't mention before, first 100 miles clocked in at 47mpg :lol:

Pele 06-02-2011 07:43 AM

^

Excellent... Looking at a later model Ranger's 2.3L Mitsubishi 4D55 engine coupled to a Turbo II transmission and running gear.

12arotary 10-18-2011 02:30 PM

A little update-
After a small mishap with the turbo return line getting clogged and blowing out the rear oil seal I picked up a new s4 turbo, corrected the problem and have driven it a few hundred miles since. Unfortunately I just don't like it. Strait line acceleration is the only descent thing about it. The gear ratio is all wrong. Turning feels awful since the engine sits way to high and due to the stock oil pan it can't go any lower without major mods. Without a new injection pump, injectors, and a basic engine overhaul (head gasket, valve seat, new springs) I'm pretty much at the max boost and fuel i can run. The engine just isn't worth the time and effort because the gains won't be that much more and there are better options out there already. That's where i'm starting over selecting my engine.
I figure i'll sell the whole set up and go with something from the mercedes line

jecr 10-19-2011 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12arotary (Post 168537)
A little update-
After a small mishap with the turbo return line getting clogged and blowing out the rear oil seal I picked up a new s4 turbo, corrected the problem and have driven it a few hundred miles since. Unfortunately I just don't like it. Strait line acceleration is the only descent thing about it. The gear ratio is all wrong. Turning feels awful since the engine sits way to high and due to the stock oil pan it can't go any lower without major mods. Without a new injection pump, injectors, and a basic engine overhaul (head gasket, valve seat, new springs) I'm pretty much at the max boost and fuel i can run. The engine just isn't worth the time and effort because the gains won't be that much more and there are better options out there already. That's where i'm starting over selecting my engine.
I figure i'll sell the whole set up and go with something from the mercedes line

Is it the handling your not happy with? Keep in mind a diesel engine is going to be a whole lot heavier which probably make the car understeer quite a bit. I bet a Mercedes diesel will be heavier.

12arotary 10-26-2011 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jecr (Post 168728)
Is it the handling your not happy with? Keep in mind a diesel engine is going to be a whole lot heavier which probably make the car understeer quite a bit. I bet a Mercedes diesel will be heavier.

i expected sub-par handling but its way worse than it should be because the engine just sits to high. If i was to go dry sump it would drop 10 inches and because of the iron head it is extra top heavy.

probably just going back to rotary though and diesel swapping something else

Raksj04 10-26-2011 07:23 PM

I bet it would be better with a VW TDI engine.

jecr 10-26-2011 09:55 PM

12arotary are you in the union, ky area.

12arotary 10-27-2011 12:26 AM

tdi would make a great engine to swap but it's out of my price range.

jecr, north of dayton ohio

Whizbang 12-11-2011 10:08 AM

so any updates with this?

12arotary 12-28-2011 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gravity Fed (Post 175032)
so any updates with this?

I yanked the engine out and am notching the oil pan as well as installing new mounts in an attempt to get the engine below the hood line, gonna try a smaller turbo and a better radiator set up. I'm rushing to finish before deals gap, hopefully this is the year I make it but we'll see

12arotary 02-08-2012 11:47 PM

engines back out

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...ry/diesel7.jpg



I went a different route less harmful to the motor, notched the cradle.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...ary/cradle.jpg
still needs finished welding then getting new engine mounts, nice thick rubber

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...ginemockup.jpg

12arotary 02-22-2012 01:45 AM

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...ieselrx788.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l3...ieselrx789.jpg
just needs engine mounts

Raksj04 02-22-2012 12:38 PM

I bet it will handle better now.

rotarycrazy 02-22-2012 01:45 PM

you should have put a triangle gusset in the corners to stiffen it up a bit plus it would make it stronger with all the TQ that a diesel puts out would be cheap insurance to make sure that the weld dont crack just my .02 cents there. Nice work other than that.

12arotary 02-22-2012 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rotarycrazy (Post 183206)
you should have put a triangle gusset in the corners to stiffen it up a bit plus it would make it stronger with all the TQ that a diesel puts out would be cheap insurance to make sure that the weld dont crack just my .02 cents there. Nice work other than that.

i was going to do that but the clearance is too close where the oil filter sits, so instead i did a square on the bottom outside (the reason the base overhangs an inch on each side- can't really see it in the pics, hoping it acts the same way but we shall see-

rotarycrazy 02-24-2012 02:31 PM

gotcha its hard to tell form the pic on the clearances you have going on. I would just make sure to watch it that it doesnt crack.

12arotary 02-24-2012 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rotarycrazy (Post 183516)
gotcha its hard to tell form the pic on the clearances you have going on. I would just make sure to watch it that it doesnt crack.

well now i'm a little worried lol- better to reinforce it now while the engine is easily removable, do you think adding triangles on the back side would be as strong as in the middle? I can't fit anything into the actual space but might be able to squeeze them in behind

rotarycrazy 02-26-2012 02:37 PM

yeah it should work fine, it would just have more weld area to hold it in place I mean you see what going on in there better than I can just find a spot that works and weld it in there.

Pettersen 02-26-2012 05:26 PM

AWESOME!

I would love having a diesel as a backup engine in my fc for when the rotary needs repairs/ winter season.


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