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stylEmon 04-11-2008 02:39 PM

87T2 Major Overhaul :: Highlight Reel
 
I've been building this car for a couple years now, and have various blogs floating around the net. THIS ONE is the most thorough, although it lacks feedback from the readers.

THIS BLOG has tons of feedback from members of "The Other" forum.

On this board, I'll highlight the best parts of the build up to this point, and continue reporting progress on the project.

It has been a very strenuous project at times, but has gone very well over-all. I purchased this car with a "5000 mile rebuild", but blew the motor rather quickly. The motor had SO many issues before it blew, I often think I should've passed on this car and waited for another. BUT the progress that's been made on this one re-assures me that no matter what car I bought, MANY of the details I've gone through would not have been addressed in a well cared for car. And I am glad I've addressed them!

I bought the car in Feb 2006, and it looked pretty clean. The body was real straight, minus a crack in the front bumper and a crack in the spoiler.
http://bp3.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...400/rx01_2.jpg

The motor had lots of "wierd" things done to it. FCD, de-powered steering rack with the lines looped together, electrical tape on the TID, no emissions, wide open 3" exhaust... But it had some nice struts/shocks and good plug wires. Over all, it looks like the previous owner was going for cheap "power".
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4...0/400/rx01.jpg

Interior was alright, some normal cracking and no radio or AC.
http://bp1.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...400/rx01_3.jpg

It had some hot start issues from the start. I cleaned the injectors and adjusted the TPS. No dice.
http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger...8708/rx2_2.jpg

Motor blew after a couple 110 mph runs. We found LOTS of shoty work.
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4...0/400/rx02.jpg

Ported primary plate... wierd
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4...0/400/rx05.jpg

Blown seal
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4...0/400/rx04.jpg

This spark plug hole was cracked.
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4...0/400/rx03.jpg

The old turbo, S4, not great but not terrible.
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4...0/400/rx07.jpg


Once the rebuild started, I went for a nice smooth secondary port. It's a little larger, but overall, just a good smooth port.
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4...0/400/rx10.jpg

I did spring for the new housings. I am building for power and reliability after all.
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4...0/400/rx09.jpg

And I got a S5 turbo, ported the wastegate and the back plate was milled.
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4...0/400/rx12.jpg

Then the coatings begin!
http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger...42494/rx24.jpg

http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger...59996/rx23.jpg

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4...0/400/rx14.jpg

I went nuts!
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4...0/400/rx16.jpg

stylEmon 04-11-2008 02:54 PM

Along the way, I picked up another T2. It had no motor, so I got a good deal on it.
http://bp3.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...0/IMG_0024.JPG

I found a motor, put two and two together and sold her. I made some decent cash, but man she was a nice looking lady!
http://bp3.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/eng05.jpg

Back to the black beast... I had the internals balanced.
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4...0/400/rx17.jpg

Started upgrading the fuel system with a Walbro HP pump, and some 750cc injectors.
http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger...08051/rx19.jpg

Picked up the popular, BBS gold meshies. They were much wider than the Mazda rims that came on the car.
http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger...90219/rx30.jpg

Got FD stationary gears; I've planned to do oil mods to this motor from the get-go, so this was a natural choice.
http://bp1.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/.../s400/rx40.jpg

The motor went together with studs.
http://bp3.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/.../s400/rx47.jpg

And in she went.
http://bp1.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/.../s400/rx65.jpg

Got the MoTeC M2R
http://bp2.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/.../s400/rx39.jpg

Wired it up.
http://bp2.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/.../s400/rx69.jpg


I've never been a fan of the S4 interior...especially the gray.
http://bp0.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...400/rx01_1.jpg

So I began stripping it out.
http://bp2.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx71..jpg

And got a S5 interior... Much nicer!
http://bp1.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx145.jpg

stylEmon 04-11-2008 03:12 PM

In the process of upgrading the interior, I relocated the battery to the rear passenger side bin.
http://bp3.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/.../s400/rx83.jpg

I was able to get my hands on some 2-way adjustable Koni coil-overs
http://bp0.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/.../s400/rx86.jpg

http://bp1.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx108.jpg

Oil filter relocation kit by Turblown.net
http://bp3.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/.../s400/rx88.jpg

Complete with catch can line.
http://bp0.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx178.jpg

Here's a cool mod; NA throttle cable on a T2. (ignore the temporary ghetto intake)
http://bp1.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx114.jpg

FD alternator.
http://bp1.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx124.jpg

Custom TID. It's right up front, so I suppose it passes as a true CAI.
http://bp1.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx150.jpg

She started!!
Halfway down this page.

I went with the single exhaust. This system is QUIET, and really makes this thing a sleeper.
http://bp3.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx146.jpg

http://bp0.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx162.jpg

Picked up an LC-1...
http://bp0.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx100.jpg

And the tuning fun began.
http://bp1.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx153.jpg

I passed emissions once I disconnected the wastegate rod. Soon after, I raced a 95-ish Corvette. I beat the vette, but the oil seal on my turbo went bye-bye.
http://bp0.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx159.jpg

UPGRAGE TIME!!! T04E, .60/1.24
http://bp0.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx175.jpg

Hardlined,
http://bp2.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx172.jpg

Tial 38mm External Wastegate,
http://bp1.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx174.jpg

Turblown, handmade divided tubular manifold.
http://bp1.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx177.jpg

Oh yeah, no physical intercooler.
http://bp2.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx176.jpg

stylEmon 04-11-2008 03:16 PM

So that brings us current. I was forced to upgrade my secondaries to 1600cc!! I was running out of fuel with the T04, so I don't think I'll have that problem with the 1600s. I have a 2-stage methanol injection system that is being perfected now. Here is the first stage. It's a very small injector, pre-turbo that comes on at 1 psi.
http://bp0.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx165.jpg

I'll get some pics of the rest of the system. Basically, it's the Devil's Own, 150 psi pump, and a much larger injector. Mounted after the turbo, and will be activated at 6 psi, by the MoTeC.

kynde 04-12-2008 11:36 PM

Very interesting way of doing the intake cooling. I was planning on doing AI but with a V-Mount setup. Could I possibly get more info on what you did to the throttle body to swap the cable over to an NA?

Great looking setup. Cant wait to see more.

stylEmon 04-13-2008 01:39 PM

thanks. I may go to a physical intercooler in the future. But so far, the AI is WAY better than the stock intercooler. The best part about using only AI is, there is not pressure drop between the turbo and throttle body.

Basically, you simply take the TB linkage off, and put it back on, backwards. A bracket was made to lock the cable in place (see image). The hard part was, cutting the cable and re-solder the metal tip back on... but make sure the cable is cut at the correct length. The metal piece that you have to re-solder, is the piece that hooks around the throttle linkage. Hope that helps.

http://bp2.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx115.jpg

http://bp1.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx114.jpg

stylEmon 04-15-2008 12:01 PM

Here is the Boost Juice system!!!!

http://bp1.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx187.jpg

http://bp2.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx186.jpg

Looks like it belongs in that bin, don't it!
http://bp2.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx185.jpg

Here is the second stage. I am running it post-compressor, pure methanol.
http://bp1.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx189.jpg


Here is my original AI system. It's a small injector, pre comressor, and is now spraying RO water ONLY. it will stay in tact and is activated at 1 PSI.
http://bp0.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx165.jpg

The second stage is wired into the MoTeC and went pretty smooth. So the MoTeC controls the AI system. Right now, the pump is on, or off. I don't yet have the ability to vary the duty cycle, but once I find the proper resistor, I'll have that ability.

stylEmon 09-19-2008 03:33 PM

It's been a while guys. I've had a little hick-up her and there and the car has been on the back burner.

What I did take care of:
The AI system is all wired to one pump. I still have two injectors; one pre, one post.
I had to track down a real annoying Fuel Pressure issue. The short story is, stock fpr is junk. I am looking to upgrade the rest of the fuel system but need to save up some cash. In the mean time, I'll get another stock fpr just to keep her on the road.
Got a new wideband sensor. I bought the LC-1 from a friend so it was lightly used. I was tired of guessing when it came to tuning so I replaced it.

That's it for now. I'll get some pics and keep ya'll up to date.

Phoenix7 09-19-2008 03:50 PM

What Air Intake Temps are you seeing with NO intercooler?

I have never seen a turbo rotary with no intercooler like that.

stylEmon 09-19-2008 03:59 PM

with AI, I am seeing 65* and dropping!!! (In the summer in PHX)
The longer I boost, the lower it goes.

TehMonkay 09-19-2008 06:47 PM

Dang

You consider getting a used perhaps hks TB adapter, even has a port for an extra injector.

stylEmon 09-19-2008 08:39 PM

I already have a Higgi elbow. Besides that, my injectors are already tapped and mounted.

WE3RX7 09-19-2008 09:06 PM

One more reason for me to move to AZ! More FC guys out there, lol.

Interesting setup though - good work. You wouldn't happen to know Elliot out that way would ya?

stylEmon 09-20-2008 11:36 AM

LOL, he did my entire set up. See his logo in my sig?
He is one of my real good friends, hang with him just about everyday.

WE3RX7 09-21-2008 07:43 PM

Cool - him and I were doing our conversions at the same time years ago. That was back when he was in IL.. I plan on having him do some coating/misc work for my FC project as well... glad to hear all is good w/ him and the shop these days...

stylEmon 09-22-2008 08:22 AM

I went nuts with the coatings, but my motor is pretty tough.

I got a stock fpr for now. Not really the route I want to go, but I got to get her back on the road. (when they sit, things magically break).

So she'll be back on the road this week, and back to tuning.

stylEmon 09-25-2008 02:26 PM

Car Is Running Again. I Should Have The New Wideband Sensor In Today And Ready To Touch Up The Map!!

WE3RX7 09-25-2008 07:39 PM

Sweetness - I want to see some numbers, lol.

Whizbang 09-25-2008 08:09 PM

i used to have probe wheels on my turbo II

stylEmon 09-26-2008 12:22 PM

I'm sorry.
Mine are not probe wheels on the front. They are from a protege or something...

stylEmon 10-12-2008 10:32 AM

waiting for walbro #2 to arrive...

rotorhead87 10-12-2008 06:52 PM

Sweet setup man! I been following your build thread on 7club for a while. I kinda wished I got my motor studded instead of being pinned, but only time will tell if I'll even care when shes running. Good job with everything!

stylEmon 10-12-2008 09:48 PM

thanks. Yours looks pretty nice. Very clean and well done. I am a sucker for sleepers.
I've always wanted to go with the REW upper intake... I hate the FCs twisted upper intake.

There are a few things I wish I would've done now (S5 motor for rear plate, REW intake manifolds, light flywheel) but mine screams when I get on it so can't really complain.

rotorhead87 10-13-2008 07:15 AM

I bet if you did switch over to a REW manifold and port matched it I would not be surprised if you pick up extra HP for your beast. It really helps the air flow smoothly go into the ports with the least resistance. I guess in the S5, S4 UIM the air gets crammed into the manifold, then the air has to make a climb up the manifolds ports. lol I hope that makes any sense, but I have no hate towards any rotary setups as long as she screams...right. I just happened to be a die-hard 13B-RE loyalist.

stylEmon 10-13-2008 09:39 AM

i agree completely. That is the most efficient 13b intake set up. I've seen back to back dynos with an S5 UIM then a RE UIM. There was a decent amount of high end torque added with the RE.

stylEmon 10-16-2008 04:32 PM

well, I got the new pump.
Went to take the old one out and the tank is rusted!
Freaking sucks man, this will be the third tank for my FC....

stylEmon 10-29-2008 01:30 PM

I went to a local paint supply store and got this Fuel Tank Repair kit from POR15.
I am NOT going through another tank!!

http://www.por15.com/images/FTRK_Fue...it.jpg_300.jpg

http://www.por15.com/prodinfo.asp?grp=FTRK&dept=12

WE3RX7 10-29-2008 01:48 PM

^ POR is great - I'm using it on my FC right now for undercoating.

stylEmon 10-30-2008 03:51 PM

OMG that was hard work...
I had to vigorously shake a 15 gallon tank for 20 minutes, THREE times!!!
I'm in pain.

I still have to apply the sealer, but all I need to do with that is roll it around.

Phoenix7 10-30-2008 04:04 PM

What's the best way to make your Throttle cable mod?

stylEmon 10-30-2008 04:09 PM

buy NA cable

reverse the butterfly's on the TB

run the cable to through the butterfly

Make a simple bracket to hold the cable

http://bp2.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx115.jpg

http://bp1.blogger.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lgw/...s400/rx114.jpg

cut the tip off (the little silver cable-stopper)

Figure out the proper length (mark with marker)

Silver solder the cable stopper back on

Phoenix7 10-30-2008 04:11 PM

Genius, thanks man.

stylEmon 10-30-2008 04:13 PM

my pleasure. post some pics if you go through with it

SpooledupRacing 10-30-2008 05:48 PM

Who did the ceramic coating if you don't mind me asking..

stylEmon 10-30-2008 06:00 PM

no ceramic, it's Polydyn coatings

http://www.polydyn.com/

I go through Turblown to get it done.
http://turblown.net/coat.html

SpooledupRacing 10-30-2008 06:35 PM

thank you... btw polydyn is still "ceramic" coating

I will have to contact them for a price check.

stylEmon 10-31-2008 10:23 AM

i know they have one ceramic coating, maybe I just don't fully understand what constitutes ceramic. But I believe the coatings I have are different. They are a composite coating with includes gold, and some other oil shedding materials.

Just for a basic comparison, a DP will typically cost around 200-300 to get coated. I do not go directly to Polydyn so it may be different to go that route.

stylEmon 11-01-2008 09:23 PM

Finished sealing the tank. Now it sits for 4 days to cure.

stylEmon 11-11-2008 07:02 PM

Now that I have the T04E, my 3.5" to 2.5" exhaust is useless. It's choking up my spool time and creating unnecessary back pressure. I changed to a 3.5" midpipe where the Magnaflo used to be, and then split to two 2.5" pipes with Apexi mufflers on the tips. It changes the whole stance of my car and makes it look much more aggressive. The only down side is, it's much louder too.

http://rotarycarclub.com/picture.php...&pictureid=158

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lg...400/rx0804.jpg


I know she's a bit dusty. She's been hanging out at the shop for too long. Anyway, I found the last pieces for my complete Series 5 interior swap. The rubber S5 radio surround really finishes off the dash. I've got to do a little work to get the idiot surround to fit with an S4 idiot cluster. But the rear hatch cover really sells the conversion!! I was so stoked to get this for $15!!!!!! It's in great shape, but needs just one stud on the passenger side to hold it in place.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lg...400/rx0803.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_AEAL2Ej4Lg...400/rx0802.jpg

87 t-66 11-11-2008 11:07 PM

nice interior...everyone wants a complete black interior. i had to go through 2 10th AE's to get my complete black s4 interior. i'm jealous of your throttle cable configuration.


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