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project86 08-07-2017 10:41 AM

Oil Cooler
 
Since im ALWAYS BAW I think a lot about my car. Today, I'm thinking about oil coolers. I've had this idea for a while.... but first:

What are some good aftermarket OC set ups? I like idea of a dual set up but most of the kits I see are for the FD platform. I imagine I could modify anything to fit but I wondered if anyone here is running a slick set up I could see.

Now my idea.... I'm non turbo. I was thinking that it would be SWEEEEEEEEEET to VMount the radiator and oil cooler(s). Has anyone ever done that?

djmtsu 08-07-2017 10:43 AM

You don't need to upgrade yours. In fact, FC oil coolers ARE an upgrade for many, many other cars!!!!

project86 08-07-2017 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by djmtsu (Post 342532)
You don't need to upgrade yours. In fact, FC oil coolers ARE an upgrade for many, many other cars!!!!

Right after I posted this I went over to Mazdatrix and they said essentially the same thing.

Is there any advantage in moving to a dual set up like the FDs have?

Pete_89T2 08-07-2017 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by project86 (Post 342533)
Right after I posted this I went over to Mazdatrix and they said essentially the same thing.

Is there any advantage in moving to a dual set up like the FDs have?

Nope, just more things to break and/or leak. If you consider that sort of thing an upgrade.

project86 08-07-2017 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete_89T2 (Post 342534)
Nope, just more things to break and/or leak. If you consider that sort of thing an upgrade.

Hahaha.. ok fair enough. I'll just get new lines then.


Now what about the VMount idea?

Johnny_K 08-07-2017 11:05 AM

V mount Radiator and oil cooler(s) on a NA FC? Why?

If it's been done, I'm sure ppl have talked about it on rx7club.

Most of the FD guys run Setrab, Mocal coolers and thermostat.

Johnny_K 08-07-2017 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by project86 (Post 342533)
Right after I posted this I went over to Mazdatrix and they said essentially the same thing.

Is there any advantage in moving to a dual set up like the FDs have?

No. Some of the FDs run two oil because 1 is too small for track use.

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Originally Posted by project86 (Post 342535)
Hahaha.. ok fair enough. I'll just get new lines then.


Now what about the VMount idea?

I'm don't follow FC builds but i have seen anyone Vmount on a NA. People probably don't do this because the stock setup works well.

project86 08-07-2017 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny_K (Post 342536)
V mount Radiator and oil cooler(s) on a NA FC? Why?

In my mind for the same reason you would Vmount a radiator and intercooler.

djmtsu 08-07-2017 11:41 AM

Not necessary. It gets great airflow as it is, and has short lines, so it is simple.

FYI- the oil cooler from my Cosmo is considered an upgrade for any rotary, since they are like 8 core!!

project86 08-07-2017 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by djmtsu (Post 342540)
Not necessary. It gets great airflow as it is, and has short lines, so it is simple.

FYI- the oil cooler from my Cosmo is considered an upgrade for any rotary, since they are like 8 core!!

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Johnny_K 08-07-2017 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by project86 (Post 342538)
In my mind for the same reason you would Vmount a radiator and intercooler.


On a FD if you put an intercooler in front of the radiator it blocks airflow to the radiator therefore it doesn't cool the intercooler as good as it should. That's why people go v mount.

djmtsu 08-07-2017 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by project86 (Post 342542)
Do you have an extra????????????????

Sure thing. Comes with a semi-roller Cosmo. $3000. Free delivery.

project86 08-07-2017 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by djmtsu (Post 342544)
Sure thing. Comes with a semi-roller Cosmo. $3000. Free delivery.

To quote you... "No love for locals?"

djmtsu 08-07-2017 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by project86 (Post 342545)
To quote you... "No love for locals?"

Uh, I said free delivery?

Geez.

FC Zach 08-08-2017 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by project86 (Post 342531)
What are some good aftermarket OC set ups? I like idea of a dual set up. . . I imagine I could modify anything to fit but I wondered if anyone here is running a slick set up I could see.

I'm glad it's already been mentioned that you'd be downgrading. . even if you did a twin set-up (aside from the extra failure points and places to leak, like Pete said), the two combined still wouldn't suffice when compared to the OE part. Especially without going the extra mile to build duct work to each to even have a fighting chance.

For what it's worth, (IIRC) my oil temp is typically ten or more degrees cooler than engine temp when driving.

infernosg 08-08-2017 07:59 AM

Yep, as everyone has said the FC oil cooler is considered to be one of the best. I wouldn't worry about it unless you're having problems. If you're that concerned you can do what I did and make better ducting for the front of the car. In factory form air can pass over the oil cooler. I made a duct out of aluminum that divides the air coming in from the front of the car:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LO...=w1689-h950-no

Google Photos has been weird so let me know if the image doesn't work.

I do recall reading some Improved Touring (IT) guys running dual FC oil coolers in series/parallel, but that seems like overkill to me.

project86 08-08-2017 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by infernosg (Post 342552)
Yep, as everyone has said the FC oil cooler is considered to be one of the best. I wouldn't worry about it unless you're having problems. If you're that concerned you can do what I did and make better ducting for the front of the car. In factory form air can pass over the oil cooler. I made a duct out of aluminum that divides the air coming in from the front of the car:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LO...=w1689-h950-no

Google Photos has been weird so let me know if the image doesn't work.

I do recall reading some Improved Touring (IT) guys running dual FC oil coolers in series/parallel, but that seems like overkill to me.


Wanna make me one of those? I assume you are using that with the stock front bumper?

project86 08-08-2017 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by FC Zach (Post 342551)
I'm glad it's already been mentioned that you'd be downgrading. . even if you did a twin set-up (aside from the extra failure points and places to leak, like Pete said), the two combined still wouldn't suffice when compared to the OE part. Especially without going the extra mile to build duct work to each to even have a fighting chance.

For what it's worth, (IIRC) my oil temp is typically ten or more degrees cooler than engine temp when driving.

I'm really glad to know that the stock one is so good. I guess I'll just look into getting braided lines for it and call it a day.

djmtsu 08-08-2017 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by project86 (Post 342556)
I'm really glad to know that the stock one is so good. I guess I'll just look into getting braided lines for it and call it a day.

If your factory lines are in good shape, and not leaking, don't replace those either.

project86 08-08-2017 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by djmtsu (Post 342577)
If your factory lines are in good shape, and not leaking, don't replace those either.

But im going to.

FC Zach 08-08-2017 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by djmtsu (Post 342577)
If your factory lines are in good shape, and not leaking, don't replace those either.

But the braided lines look better :)

Pete_89T2 08-09-2017 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by project86 (Post 342578)
But im going to.

Why? Don't fix what isn't broke or you'll be back here with another problem :rofl:

There's nothing wrong with the stock lines, and if they are in good shape, they will remain leak free and work as well as any aftermarket lines you could buy or build yourself for many years. I would just give the stock lines a very thorough cleaning and inspection, and go from there:

1. Are the crimp fittings corroded excessively (more than just a little surface rust), and if you try to rotate the crimp fitting around the hose, does it rotate at all relative to the hose? If answer is NO on both, stock lines are good.

2. Is the rubber hose material still pliable, with zero evidence of swelling or any unusually brittle/hard or mushy/soft spots that you can feel when you squeeze the hose anywhere along its length? If it passes this test, the stock lines are good.

t_g_farrell 08-09-2017 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete_89T2 (Post 342584)
Why? Don't fix what isn't broke or you'll be back here with another problem :rofl:

There's nothing wrong with the stock lines, and if they are in good shape, they will remain leak free and work as well as any aftermarket lines you could buy or build yourself for many years. I would just give the stock lines a very thorough cleaning and inspection, and go from there:

1. Are the crimp fittings corroded excessively (more than just a little surface rust), and if you try to rotate the crimp fitting around the hose, does it rotate at all relative to the hose? If answer is NO on both, stock lines are good.

2. Is the rubber hose material still pliable, with zero evidence of swelling or any unusually brittle/hard or mushy/soft spots that you can feel when you squeeze the hose anywhere along its length? If it passes this test, the stock lines are good.

I agree to disagree on this one. The lines are old enough at this point that its worth the money to get new ones. And the RB ones do look purty!

project86 08-09-2017 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by t_g_farrell (Post 342586)
I agree to disagree on this one. The lines are old enough at this point that its worth the money to get new ones. And the RB ones do look purty!


I'll at least check them. If they aren't leaking then I wont prioritize. I can tell you whats not leaking though.. my oil pan....

speedjunkie 08-09-2017 04:10 PM

I have dual 19 row Setrab coolers on my FD and I've seen as low as 109F in the winter and usually about 140-150F in the summer. WAY too cold, I know. But I tested the thermostat and it works, and I made sure it was mounted to flow correctly. Not sure what the deal is.

I was always under the impression that the FC cooler wasn't that great. Good to know otherwise. I'll leave it on my TII (that I haven't started building yet).

djmtsu 08-10-2017 08:37 AM

40 year old lines on both Cosmo's holding strong.

The only issue I have with aftermarket cooler lines (like RB) is they rely on an adapter. Just another potential failure point. And some people have been unfortunate enough to strip or crossthread trying to install them.

project86 08-10-2017 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by djmtsu (Post 342615)
40 year old lines on both Cosmo's holding strong.

Are YOUR 40yr old lines still holding strong?:suspect:

djmtsu 08-10-2017 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by project86 (Post 342621)
Are YOUR 40yr old lines still holding strong?:suspect:

Thankfully YES!!!

Too well. Ask the wife..

t_g_farrell 08-10-2017 09:42 AM

Ok, but you may want to get some replacements before DGRR next year, so when it blows on the mountain you can swap in the new ones. Just sayin'.

If you were to cut one in half and squeeze it you will see that its swollen and cracking apart.

project86 08-10-2017 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by t_g_farrell (Post 342625)
Ok, but you may want to get some replacements before DGRR next year, so when it blows on the mountain you can swap in the new ones. Just sayin'.

If you were to cut one in half and squeeze it you will see that its swollen and cracking apart.

I'll probably replace them before then. I replaced them promptly on my first FC and never had any issues. I dont anticipate an issue with doing SS lines this time either.

t_g_farrell 08-10-2017 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by project86 (Post 342626)
I'll probably replace them before then. I replaced them promptly on my first FC and never had any issues. I dont anticipate an issue with doing SS lines this time either.

I was actually referring to DJ on that comment. :smilielol5:

djmtsu 08-10-2017 10:23 AM

Ha!

Mine don't leak or seep. Flushed them and the cooler thoroughly prior to DGRR this year. I do have another set from the other Cosmo though.

project86 08-10-2017 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by t_g_farrell (Post 342634)
I was actually referring to DJ on that comment. :smilielol5:


OOOOOOO... right.. because he has 40yr old lines... i get it.

FC Zach 08-10-2017 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by project86 (Post 342640)
OOOOOOO... right.. because he has 40yr old lines... i get it.

:leaving:


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