Originally Posted by stickmantijuana (Post 2678768)

I chose my words carefully. I've been scammed by Scott @ Mazsport. It's been two years, and although some months may not be entirely accurate (it's been awhile), I included them so people can get the picture. Fact is, it was taking over 2years, and when I towed the car back, it wasn't even half done.

8/2006 - Scott began calling me up and telling me he's interested in doing 3 rotor swap on my car. He tells me it'll cost $25,000 - $30,000 with all bells & whistles (dry sump, roll cage, turbo, 20b, pushing the engine back & low, etc. etc.). and tells me it will take about 2 MONTHS. I agreed, then paid $10,000 down to "lock down my spot".
9/2006 - I drove the car down to FL and dropped my car off.
10/2006 - I call for an update. They say they're really swamped developing turbo kits & getting ready for some rotary meet. I asked them to send me some photos of what they have for my 3 rotor. Scott is now apparently TOO BUSY to talk to me on the phone for 5 seconds.
11/2006 - I'm now calling probably every 2-3 days and at least once a week because I haven't seen / heard any update for my car. I did talk to Scott once or twice this entire month--he then told me he's building a kick-ass engine with 13b housings & new rotors & new e-shaft.
12/2006 - Scott finally calls me and tells me he needs more money ($15,000) and gives me a deadline date - February/2006. He tells me engine is built and he spent all the money. He then proceeds to tell me to delete some mildly negative comments I've made on my thread about his dragging his ass-- I deleted them.
2/2007 - Scott says engine placement is like a midengine slotcar. Asks me another month to finish the job then asked for $2000 more to make an intake manifold. I pay the $2000 then bought my plane ticket for 3/2006 to tampa, FL to go pick up the car.
3/2007 - The entire week before my flight, Scott is unreachable. Betsey tells me the car's not ready. I scrap my flying plans. Scott then sends me some photos of the engine in the engine bay pretending like nothing happened. It was still snowing in PA and I told myself, I can wait until it stops snowing. Scott asks for more money at this point, and I said we're over budget already, and just finish it.
** at this point, only the engine was in the engine bay--
5/2007 - Scott says manifold took forever, but things are moving along. I request for another deadline, and he says 7/2006, and I buy another plane ticket. He then promises to keep me updated at least once a week, which he does so for ONE week then promptly forgot every single Friday thereafter.
7/2007 - Still not done-- in the meanwhile, I receive some photos of oil pan and turbo to keep me quiet on the forum. He also e-mails me that he'll work on it everyday and will have an update or me every Friday again and again--which never came true.
**at this point, I'm getting pissed off every week with Scott's lack of communication and utter lack of any respect for my time. Betsey would frequently tell me Scott will call after 5pm, makes me wait around until 7-8pm after which I figure out again and again he's not calling.
And this weekly routine continues until his name on the forum is in jeopardy with some posts. He then calls and gives me some fluke deadline, which he denies later on the phone telling me that he NEVER gives a deadline because he doesn't want to disappoint his customers when the date is not kept. I'm thinking this guy is an idiot if he wants me to buy that "argument".
12/2007 - I tell him to just make the car run. I also tell him I don't give a shit what he does to it as long as it runs. He tells me he needs more money and I tell him he's already over budget and asked for an INVOICE to see where the money went. Scott NEVER gives me an invoice--in fact according to him, there has been so much work done on my car that for the past 8 months, he's been working on my invoice.
5/2008 - I started up some thread on the forum, and Scott & Betsey immediately lie to me telling me that my exhaust pipe is finished. Asked me to delete the thread, which I did.
8/2008 - I ask for update, and for 10 months, Scott tells me he's been working on the fuel rail because the upper manifold is too low. I demand an invoice and told him I'd like to tow the car back.
9/2008 - Invoice is still not ready. When the truck driver called to confirm the pick-up, Scott tells him to come back later. I payed re-schedule fee, then demanded that Scott have my car on the truckbed next time truck shows up.
** at the vehicle delivery, I find that my car has been ripped up inside and out. Scott sold LOT of my OEM stuff and ALL my aftermarket engine stuff. Engine mounts weren't even in. Fuel modules, all sensors, fans, coolers, etc. etc. I had are all gone. There's NOTHING after the downpipe which is hitting the subframe incidentally. I call him up immediately and tell him I'll be starting up a thread about this transaction. Scott then immediately tells me that he'll make it right.
10/2008 - Every week, I get the same bullshit from him. First package had shifter knob and a BROKEN fuel pump. I finally receive that invoice he's been working on for past 10 months.

hey and here's what I received (these include the labor):
$800 for PREPARING the car for installs
$7922.83 for MOUNTS & PPF
$12,300 for 20b
$250 for radiator MOUNT
$867.61 for FUEL RAIL (doesn't even have secondary rail)
$850 for USED Rx7 tranny (not rebuilt) with NO shifter & no gear selector linkage
$981.54 for INJECTORS
$1950.91 for "performance clutch"
$3404.28 for INTAKE TUBES!
$2185.26 for EXHAUST MANIFOLD
$3200.80 for Gt42R turbo & v-clamps
$804.00 for OIL PAN

and here's the best part:
$1445.00 for THINKING about some exotic traction control that wasn't even installed or fab'd.
$450 for REMOVING my OWN fuel tank & working fuel pump that I needed (NO replacement in the car)
$675.00 for roll cage design & dynamat that aren't even in the car

then they decided to generously credit me for all aftermarket stuff that they sold off the car (after taking off 30% for their ebay listing service) and applied ALL the credit toward Scott's paycheck WITHOUT my permission. I still haven't heard anything about missing OEM parts or my aftermarket stuff I can still use with 20b.

I'm still waiting for Scott to send me my RX8 oem parts, 20b oem parts, and stuff he charged me for already like the shifter linkage, mounts, etc, which I still don't have. He's dragging it again.

SCOTT, EXACTLY HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO BOX UP SOME STUFF I WAS ALREADY CHARGED FOR MORE THAN 2 YEARS AGO AND SEND IT VIA UPS GROUND??? According to him, he's still "unpacking" and still "looking for my stuff". I just had it with his lies and two faced responses on the forum. He tries so hard to appear legitimate on the forum, but many others (myself included) have had horrendous experiences with Mazsport Scott. He will keep giving you excuses of "doing it right takes time" to which I agree to certain extent. But over 1yr for turbo installs and over 2yrs for hacked up uncompleted project that was promised to be done in 2months is pushing it greatly.

I'll attach some photos of what I got AFTER paying Mazsport $38122.23 ON TOP of already fully tuned Greddy turbo 300whp rx8.

Originally Posted by phoenix7 (Post 51916)

Anyone wanna bet how long it will take IB to get rid of this guy?

Originally Posted by Gordon Monsen

The story in a nutshell. I had had Peter do about $18,000 worth of work on my car since the day I bought it new. Then, in Nov., 1998, I told Peter I wanted to go single turbo. Peter told me I could just buy Ed Taylor's car, which Ed had traded in to Peter for a 3 rotor conversion. I talked to Ed about his old car, but passed, because I knew Ed had raced the car. I knew my car was perfect.

I told Peter to upgrade mine. After a lot of haggling we decided to port my motor and rebuild it to race car tolerances, put a "like-new" used single turbo on it, and do a bunch of other stuff, like a custom race intercooler, etc. Peter quoted me a "500 HP turbo motor". gave him my car in January, 1999, and picked up the car in late march.

The car ran like a piece of shit. Much worse than when I gave it to him. Less power and almost undriveable. I took the car to a new guy near me, Dave Barninger of a new shop called KD Rotary. Dave agreed that there was something really wrong with the car. Brought it back to Peter. Picked it up a few weeks later and it still ran like shit. Went to MADS and showed it to Peter. He drove it with me on the race course, hard. It ran OK flat out, but was still undriveable at normal pace. Took it back. Took it back to Peter who said he would install an electromotive TEC II. Called after a few weeks and they said he was in Greece or something.

They said they wouldn't be getting to it for a while, so I went and picked it up around end of may, 1999. On way back, it caught fire. Had it towed to KD Rotary. They found the wiring harness had melted and caught fire. Built new harness. The car had pieces falling off it, they fixed. The IC pipe from compressor kept coming off, losing boost and banging into the hood and denting it. Bunch of other stuff. I spent about $14,000 over many months of not driving the car. In July of 2000, KD and I took it to a dyno and it only made 275-300 RWHP, or less than before taking it to Peter. They said the turbo was bad... and, I had put on less than 2000 miles since picking it up from Peter.

KD Rotary sent the turbo to Majestic Turbo and they rebuilt it. Opened it up and put in bigger compressor wheel, balanced and lightened the spindle. They said the turbo wheel had caked up with burnt oil and the vanes were chewed up badly. Wheel couldn't spin well and wouldn't be balanced and couldn't make much power. Suggested it had been raced hard and abused. Got it back in august and Dave put it back in the car. Took it out for a test drive the first week of September, 2000 and it blew up. (The motor). back to KD rotary. Dave took the motor apart and emailed me on September 19th and told me the motor was shot. Said it looked like a motor with 80,000 miles of wear and said the housings were so badly chewed up, it couldn't;t be rebuilt. Dave also said the engine, btw, wasn't my original engine, but the number on the block was from a guy named Ed Taylor's car (gave me the vin and I had Mazda run it).

I bought a reman, Dave ported it and reassembled everything for another $4500 or so. In later September, the 26th, I sent Peter a letter asking for my money back. Peter replied and said nothing doing. I though hard about suing him, but didn't think the cost was worth it. Over the course of the next 5-6 months though, I blasted PFS and Farrell on the Internet. So did many others who felt "ripped off". in June of 2001, Peter Farrell sued ME and Malloy Mazda and john duff and David Penner for defamation, and conspiracy to put him out of business by saying bad, untrue things about him on the Internet. He had duff fired and arrested for embezzlement.

After a year of legal bullshit, we had a trial. All this drained me and my family emotionally and the legal bills for 2 law firms ran me well into 6 figures. As you know, the jury did the right thing. That's it... almost. a few months before the trial, I posted to the Internet asking if anyone had bought a silver 1993 RX-7 from Peter Farrell in early 1999 (Ed Taylor's car was silver). a guy emailed me and said he owned the car in question. I verified it by vin. He said he had bought it from a guy who said it had had a 1995 18,000 mile motor transplanted in it according to the guy he bought it from. I called that guy and he said Peter Farrell had sold him the car in march of 1999 and said that the motor was like new and had come out of a 1995 RX-7 I verified the vin on the motor and it was mine.

So, what Farrell had done was take Ed Taylor's motor out of his car, turbo, electronics (boost controller, additional injector controller, downpipe, turbo and all, and put it into my car. This is the engine from the car I had turned down buying, because I thought it had been abused. that car had sat at PFS from July of 1998 to march of 1999 without anyone buying it, probably because it ran so bad, and had stuck it in my car, without rebuilding it or doing much of anything to it. He took my perfectly good motor out and put it in Ed's car and was now able to sell that for a very good price. He made money on both sides of the deal without doing any work at all. How much money? hard to say, but he sold Ed's car for something like $19,000 and I have a bill for the motor he put in, my motor, for $3800. He sold me the turbo and motor for just under $10,000. Cost to him? about $1000 worth of work.

That's the story.

Originally Posted by Gordon Monsen

Well, the trial is over and I (and the net...) have won convincingly. I thought I 'd make a few comments that I am (now) fairly sure I can make without any fear of consequence... I paid for this right well into six figures and fortunately the courts will have Mr. Farrell repay me the expense. This will be a very large sum of money even should the judge reduce it somewhat.

Soooo. First, we did not just win, we crushed him (Farrell/PFS). The jury rightfully determined that every one of Peter's claims was wholly unfounded, and then went on to award every single one of our counterclaims in a UNANIMOUS verdict. In total the jury was presented with 10 questions to deliberate. The final score: Monsen 10 Farrell 0. the jury found that Mr. Farrell defrauded me.
The jury found that Mr. Farrell breached his contract to upgrade my car. And the jury found that he violated the Virginia Consumer Protection Act in his dealings with me. Our victory will be
permanent and far reaching, despite any hopes to the contrary. It may also have an effect on the remaining lawsuits that Mr. Farrell has still outstanding against his former employees, John Duff
and Debra Singleton. These people regardless of other, exogenous issues that may or may not exist, have been relentlessly pursued by their former employer and have few financial resources to combat what I believe is an "abuse of process". (One of my attorneys has suggested he might defend them pro bono and will be contacting them in that regard) This is not the last chapter we intend to write either. We believe Peter misused the legal process to attempt to intimidate and out muscle those that were brave enough to criticize his practices. Mr. Farrell has caused me and my family incredible hardship over the past year. Mr. Farrell threatened me and then sued me. He told my attorney that he would take my cars from me and other possessions, if I didn't have the money to pay him. We couldn't bring this suit until we won the other two suits. We have and now we will. And we should prevail. If we succeed in this suit, it will add further damages to the pile we have already accumulated. It is of note that the damages and fees were awarded against BOTH Peter Farrell Supercars and Peter Farrell personally (though Farrell's attorney spent most of his closing arguments trying to separate Mr. Farrell personally from his company).

Second, I want to thank my attorneys, Phil Desfosses of Desfosses Law Associates in New Hampshire, and Chip Purcell, my required Virginia state counsel, of William, Mullins, Clark, & Dobbins,
Washington, DC, and indirectly, Paul Emerick, of the Hudgins Law Firm, Alexandria, Va. I would like to thank Phil's son Alfie for assisting in gathering information and arranging for witnesses. And, I would like to thank Chris Carlisi for researching the case law, drafting several motions, and putting up with all my bullshit. All played a role in the success of this year long effort. However, as all the counsel involved would readily attest, it was Phil Desfosses who WAS the litigator. He directed the research, depositions, hearings, and trial strategies. And, he was brilliant in court.
Needless to say his conduct was of a much higher character than Peter's attorney who seemed more adept at name calling and slinging petty insults than applying the law. Some of his more
amusing or pathetic "points" include accusations that I have a drinking problem (in AA for 13 years suggests I do have a problem), that "people who know [me] don't like me," and my personal favorite, that I acted with treachery comparable to Al Quaida.

As for our future plans (my attorneys and I have become close), I have no idea what Farrell may be doing, but MY attorney is taking a vacation to Alaska and his staff is working on our abuse of
process suit. I have always thought Farrell himself did a lot of this work (and am pleased he has). He may be working on a motion right now to avoid or negate the inevitable payment of the
awarded monies. Meanwhile, I expect that his attorney is the only winner on his side, assuming his attorney has been paid. I would not want to be his attorney, if he has not been paid to date.

And, this is to Peter Farrell. Peter, when we met at the last deposition (Dave Barninger), I told you that you should drop the suits, because they exposed you to so much harm, both monetary and reputational. I told you that even if you won some claim or other, that, if I won any of the fraud, breach of contract, or violation of the Virginia consumer protection act, it would devastate your ability to be in the car business, because I had said I would publish the (public) jury's findings on every Internet forum available to me. You laughed me off and said you had already spent too much in legal fees to drop the case. That was not a sound course of action. Not only has your reputation been irrevocably damaged, you must now pay me a great deal of money. Pay the awards and get on with your life or don't pay and continue this costly effort and risk more damages.

Mr. lane says "these guys fight hard" and he is right. But, as the "highlander" tradition has it, "there can only be one" and I have "taken his head". This is all over but the shouting. I have no
further interest and little involvement. This is cleanup. There is no battle any more. I have won, but, more importantly, our little community online has re-won the right we have always had to
speak our minds freely and without fear of reprisal from those whose work or products are shoddy.

gordon monsen

Originally Posted by To_Slow (Post 52510)

That's some bad news for the 38k hit. Most off these vendors will do this type off rip-offs do to dealing with kids.

Most off the Rx7 Rx8 owners from 16-22 years old and are not educated on what they need to do in case off this situation happening. They will just wine on the forum and hope they will get there money back or service finished ( It will not happen) etc. They need to take legal action or before you jump in on a big project with a vendor, think off the possibilities of shit going south and your arss is covered :).

Not just long a goo i had a similar satiation happen to me. I place an order from a top rotary shop for a 3 low comp lighned rotors balanced etc...

Was promised 3 weeks after excuses excuses 6 moths later i get my stuff. Of course it looked like shit machine work looked like back yard special .. garbage. Long story short. 4k later

I got my money back.

So that tells you it don't mater what type of rotary shop they are. If thy get a feeling that you are young and do not know to much they will take full advantage of you .......

Originally Posted by chrism (Post 52682)

it wont go any where...IB gets paid by mazsport not stick.....stick gets the stick.....sad

Originally Posted by Jedi54 (Post 52658)

Internet Brands (owners of RX8club.com) have stepped in and closed the thread. Should be interesting where this goes from here...

Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection (Post 52834)

someone should get stick to come here and continue to update our thread with the statements and actions made by IB, without fear of censorship, and to keep an accurate record of what happens for all to see.