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hIGGI 01-08-2010 05:48 AM

How hard can it be? DIY brake upgrades
 
Did it ever came across your mind - 'what i am gonna do with my front 4 piston calipers' - after installing something bigger there?
I went to 13" 4 piston Brembo setup couple years ago for front of my drift FC, and having some spare 4 piston calipers, i thought about putting them on the back ....

How hard can it be?


I was already running rear 2005 Ford Mustang GT rotors in the back (300mm) and wanted to keep them...and of course, being able to run stock 16" FC wheels in the back for drift trainings....its easier to find free tires for 16 than 17 or 18....

In the end, its not that hard, nor expensive....but its not one of these afternoon basic upgrades either....

First come rear knuckle. I found spare on the shefl, cleaned it up a little and pressed out old bearing, installed longer wheel studs (from front of FC). All back together here :

http://rx7.cz/gallery/qdig-files/con...d_IMG_2069.JPG

http://rx7.cz/gallery/qdig-files/con...d_IMG_2070.JPG

http://rx7.cz/gallery/qdig-files/con...d_IMG_2071.JPG

Installing longer studs is the reason why you have to take it apart and install new bearing. If you want to use wheel spacers with own studs, you can skip this step.

Bolting on adapter is pretty simple, 3 small bolts and one bigger with spacer...

http://rx7.cz/gallery/qdig-files/con...d_IMG_2072.JPG

http://rx7.cz/gallery/qdig-files/con...d_IMG_2073.JPG

http://rx7.cz/gallery/qdig-files/con...d_IMG_2074.JPG

http://rx7.cz/gallery/qdig-files/con...d_IMG_2075.JPG

Then the ring for centering of rotor

http://rx7.cz/gallery/qdig-files/con...d_IMG_2076.JPG

And now rotor :

http://rx7.cz/gallery/qdig-files/con...d_IMG_2077.JPG

Here we are !

http://rx7.cz/gallery/qdig-files/con...d_IMG_2078.JPG

http://rx7.cz/gallery/qdig-files/con...d_IMG_2079.JPG


And now, special feature for those who must have something MORE :)

If you have cut the one of the 'eyes' for stock caliper, you can install 2 calipers. In my case it will be one caliper for normal braking and other one for handbrake - independent hydraulic handbrake. Of course, you have run new line for that handbrake...


http://rx7.cz/gallery/qdig-files/con...d_IMG_2080.JPG

http://rx7.cz/gallery/qdig-files/con...d_IMG_2081.JPG

http://rx7.cz/gallery/qdig-files/con...d_IMG_2082.JPG

Thats about it now, i will provide more pics and details once i`ll have it on the car, its too cold for fitting it outside :)


Fullsize pics are here :
http://rx7.cz/gallery/?Qwd=./2010-01...v=thumbs&Qis=M

Max777 01-08-2010 09:25 PM

damn, that's just too much! Have you considered running a small single piston caliper for the hand brake, or just tying the hand brake into the rear rotors? Two extra calipers seems like a lot of weight for a race car... How's it been working out for you?

My5ABaby 01-08-2010 11:06 PM

That's pretty damn ridiculous. :icon_tup:

Project10AE 01-09-2010 12:04 AM

Ok...

I'll be that guy:

Whats the point?

I don't drift so don't flame me if its 'drift-related'... I just don't see the car stopping that much better (if at all) with so much of it being front brakes anyway?

If its just for the 'science project' of it, then cool!

hIGGI 01-09-2010 04:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Project10AE (Post 106432)
Ok...

I'll be that guy:

Whats the point?

I don't drift so don't flame me if its 'drift-related'... I just don't see the car stopping that much better (if at all) with so much of it being front brakes anyway?

If its just for the 'science project' of it, then cool!

2 calipers is just drift related, they dont work together to combine 'normal' braking power.
I wanted something different, i wanted to change my hydraulic handbrake setup to independent routing and i as well wanted to use parts i had laying at the shelf...
And stock rear brake calipers are more expensive, harder to repair and i was short on spares, while i had plenty of 4 piston calipers...

In the front i have brembos with 2x40 and 2x44mm pistons on 330m rotors.
Rear is 4x36mm i think (or maybe 35mm)

Master brake cylinder is 1" from Mazda 929 and if necessary i might go for 1 and 1/16" from Mazda B4000.

I already purchased adjustable brake bias regulator, will let u know how it works.

RETed 01-09-2010 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max777 (Post 106421)
Two extra calipers seems like a lot of weight for a race car...

I believe the stock rear brake calipers are iron?

The front calipers are aluminum.

I wouldn't be surprised if the twin front brakes calipers actually weigh less than one stock rear brake caliper...


-Ted

RETed 01-09-2010 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Project10AE (Post 106432)
Ok...

I'll be that guy:

Whats the point?

I don't drift so don't flame me if its 'drift-related'... I just don't see the car stopping that much better (if at all) with so much of it being front brakes anyway?

The second set of brake calipers are just for "handbraking".
If you seen any of the "pro" drift vehicles, they almost all run a 2nd brake caliper in the rear for independent handbrake control (with a dedicated handbrake lever).
This has nothing to do with overall brake performance.


-Ted

Phoenix7 01-10-2010 12:55 PM

I want to see the final brake setup and how it compares to a stock TII. The upgrades up front should make it stop on a dime with nice tires.

Keep it up higgi, you always have interesting mods.

Max777 01-14-2010 12:13 AM

FACT: Big brake kits do NOT reduce stopping distances, they reduce brake fade during performance driving conditions... or so I've read on the internetz... :D

DrftQuin23 01-14-2010 05:38 PM

Very nice mod. The only other car that I have seen this on is one Team Orange of Japans Drifting D1 I believe it was a Evo 10. I have always thought about this...i'm keeping an eye on this for sure.

MaczPayne 01-15-2010 12:47 PM

Pics of the front setup?

RotorDad 01-16-2010 01:11 PM

Seems interesting, BTW who make the adapters?

hIGGI 04-01-2010 02:53 PM

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._4165840_n.jpg

hIGGI 04-01-2010 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaczPayne (Post 107094)
Pics of the front setup?

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._7927865_n.jpg

hIGGI 04-01-2010 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RotorDad (Post 107180)
Seems interesting, BTW who make the adapters?

Lets say that i do :)


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