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Waffles 03-14-2011 07:44 PM

1 piece apex seal
 
So I picked up a used engine that I tore down to check all the specs and give it a good cleaning. When I opened it I found that it had 1 piece apex seals. Does the install process differ any from the FSM? Also it appears that each apex seal has only 1 spring, is this normal for a 12a?

diabolical1 03-21-2011 12:54 AM

i tend to think the process would be the same.

what you probably have are carbon seals in that engine, and yes, 12As use one spring only.

Waffles 03-21-2011 01:30 PM

Sounds good. Thanks for the info. Now I just need to waiting on my racing beat gasket kit and intake manifold to show up.

NoDOHC 03-22-2011 08:01 PM

Be careful if those are really carbon seals (do a little research). I think that I recall that you have to glue them down in the rotor and pull start the car as they must initially contact the housing as a high speed to avoid failure (this is what I recall, but I never did it, I heard guys talking about it - 15 years ago).

Waffles 03-22-2011 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoDOHC (Post 144401)
Be careful if those are really carbon seals (do a little research). I think that I recall that you have to glue them down in the rotor and pull start the car as they must initially contact the housing as a high speed to avoid failure (this is what I recall, but I never did it, I heard guys talking about it - 15 years ago).


Now you have me worried. Is there any sure way to tell if they are carbon. They feel metallic to me

http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w...2/DSCF0798.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w...2/DSCF0797.jpg

NoDOHC 03-23-2011 09:57 PM

Here is a carbon apex seal from Mazdatrix

http://www.mazdatrix.com/pictures/b-engprt/carbon3m.jpg

I don't see anything on the internet about the carbon seals requiring special break-in, but Mazdatrix claims only a 20,000 mile life.

diabolical1 03-24-2011 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoDOHC (Post 144598)
... Mazdatrix claims only a 20,000 mile life.

that being said, does anyone have any idea what a typical lifespan was for the older carbon sealed (6mm) engines?


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