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TitaniumTT 02-16-2012 01:07 AM

TitaniumTT/Speed1 Junkyard turbo 'Vert here we go DGRR fire build
 
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One more year, one more build thread.... I will not be continuing on with the FC coupe right now. Back in November @ a PCA event I missed a shift @ 143 mph down the front straight and over-revved the hell out of the engine. The rotor touched the plate, gouged it, broke a corner seal, dented the rotor and warped a few apex seals. It's going to be a while until that engine is back up and running and there are some other things I want to do to the car as well before she gets back into action.... namely repaint a efw panels, go through the interior a bit, and add WI controlled through the MoTeC.... sooooooo since I've had this car for almost 2 years and haven't really touched it, I figure I'd get this done before DGRR which is in exactly 63 days! 63 days to build an entire car, break it in, shake her down, tune and drive her down to DGRR.... this is why it's a fire build.

A brief history of the car... I bought it almost 2 yrs ago for $800 with about $2000 worth of parts. The original intent of the PO was a turbo swap because he blew 2 coolant seals... although he only knew about the 1. He was an IT guy and in my experience, no offense to the IT guys reading this, they seem to think that because they deal with computers and cutting edge technology all day long that they can tackle anything. This guy got the mani's off before he realized he was in over his head. The car sat for 3 years before I picked it up almost 2 yrs ago. It was garage kept it's entire life until I got it. Although it was a daily and the harsh NE winters did take it's toll on the body and the top. Soooooooo yeah... she ain't in the greates shape but that's ok, we'll bring her back.

My original intent in rebuilding the car was to rebuild the n/a engine and it would be a b-day gift for my mother. I actually bought it on my mothers b-day. When I hauled the engine out I realized that it would cost a fortune to rebuild that engine. Both plates lost coolant seals... which was fine because the rotors were basically steamcleaned for me (and they are going to be donated to my coupe... yup, S4 n/a 9.4:1 rotors in a boosted engine... should be fun) but the rest of the engine was WORN THE HELL OUT. It needed every new seal imagineable. So I started looking for donor engines. Then of course I started thinking, I'm never going to find a good used n/a engine, so I'll start looking for some turbo engines last year and I found 1. Exactly 1 year to the day after I bought the car, I bought the engine.... also on my mothers b-day. The engine sat for MONTHS until I finally enlisted the help of Kyle (seen in the pics later) to run back to CT with me to get my blown coupe engine, the 'vert engine, and the 'vert.

The plan was, break down my coupe engine and get that thing sorted. She still started and ran fine, and aside from a little lope @ idle, made great power... could roast 3 gears to redline with the TC off. We all thought it was a broken side seal, flattened Apex seal springs, sticking corner seal... something, not what it actually was. So after seeing that carnage I looked to the 'vert as the car I would be bringing to DGRR.... oh shit we all thought.

It's a little dark out so I can't get pic's of the car... but the day it arrived @ the shop we were looking in the parking lot at cars that needed to be moved. Dave is saying, "move this, move that, put that one here, bring that one in, tourch that one, fuck that one..... WHO'S FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT 'VERT IS THAT?!?!?!!?"
He turn's to me because I had mentioned bringing the car up and he says, "Is that yours? What a fucking lump. Did you pull that out of a junkyard last week?" Henceforth the car was lovingly titled Junkyard 'vert. I've got boxes of parts, totes full of shit, and a few bins in the Engine room all titles Brian T Speed1 Junkyard 'Vert :rofl: Everytime he makes a comment it just gives me more motivation to get her done and done right.

The TitaniumTT/Speed1 title comes from well, the fine gents here have offered thier help when they can to make this project happen. Mostly it will be Kyle (ridiculously talented body guy) and Chris (badass engine builder) helping me out when they're not too tired... and they're both younger than me... fucking kittens, both of them :smilielol5:

Sooooo true to form... I'm waiting until I don't think I have enough time left to start a project that can't be finished just to make sure that I can make back some dividends in RedBull stock... although I have found the Starbucks energy drinks to be a little more energyifying.....

The engine I bought was used. It was sold to me as this badass monster port grandmaster cryo'ed sick ass engine. It was nothing like that. it was a totally sotck port, stock apex seal, stock bearing'ed STOCK STOCK STOCK engine. I couldn't be happier. This is a car for my mother. I want good street manners, I want a solid idle. A stock clutch is going in with a stock flyheel. Stock gears and a stock turbo. The engine management will be handled by a Haltech PS2000 (yes, two thousand) and heat exchanging will come from a fluidyne rad, FD twin oil coolers, and a W2A intercooler based of the stock TMIC. It's going to be tricky becuase I already have an Atihun hood so clearance might become an issue.

I've collected everything I need, except for of course the 2 years a project like this would normally take, so holly shit, lets get to work!!!

After I tore the engine down I cleaned most of the parts and inspected everything. The housings looked good, not great, but good, typical wear along the edges. The plates were in damn fine shape, except for the lime green paint that's on them, and the rotors looked great. This engine was supposed to have 7-8k on it.... if it did, whoever built it shouldn't have re-used the main bearings, and whoever tuned it needs to step away from the dyno... so damn rich it was retarded. You'll see a few pics of my rotors in there. They have 2x the mileage on them and 1/4 of the carbon buildup.... 'nuff said.

I'll be updating this thread daily with times spent and what's been done.

Tonight we got the housings and the front cover cleaned up and painted. I also broke the rotors down so I can clean all the seals and the rotors themselves. I wanted to spend some time tonight stripping off some of the nasty ass lime green paint but got on the phone with the girlfriend for 75 minutes so that didn't happen... oh well.... what can you do. Plan is still to get this engine built Sunday, get the car in the shop on Friday night and start tearing into the wiring on Monday. I know FC wiring DAMN well so it shouldn't be that hard at all to get that done and out of the way. Wiring the Haltech will probably consume about 20+ hours though... and yes, I sense a great deal of all nighters, sleeping on the couch, and dragging my as into work late some mornings.... the price of a rotary, what can I say.... on to the pics....

Steels... started preping the rear iron by getting that nasty paint off and pulling out the nipples for the heatercore and the TB.... I have my standard plans for those :suspect:

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...1&d=1329371472

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Our badass painter helping me out doing painting type things... he actually left me to spray the parts myself. I guess after doing that Vielside car from start to finish he figures his time is too precious for a hosuing :smilielol5: Just kidding Kyle, love ya man.

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Housings painted. We taped them up so you couldn't see my supersecret black magic stock ports ;)

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Front iron all set.

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Bins full of parts... the coupe engine is actually disasssembled and underneath those pigs... I'm sad about that engine.

rxspeed7 02-16-2012 01:15 AM

Let me get what's in those two boxes(wire and sleeving)!! Lol.

TitaniumTT 02-16-2012 01:20 AM

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Here you can see the rotors that I'll be using. That's a retarded amount of carbon for 7-8k... REALLY? But they seem to be in PERFECT shape so I can't really complain at all about them. They're soaking in puple power right now. Hopefully Friday night I'll get a chance to clean them up and the seals. I usually frown upon re-using old seals. but this is going to be a 250-280RWHP car at full boost.... oh yeah, there will be a boost trim switch installed so we can go from Mom mode - Wastegate, to Brian mode - as much boost as the stock turbo will handle :rofl:

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...1&d=1329372248

Here you can see the rotors that I took out of the coupe. If you look closely you can see the dent that was left. Oh well, glad they were cryo'ed, that's all I'm saying. My EGT's got a little out of control, hence the reason for the WI going into the car.

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...1&d=1329372248

This is what killed me RE plates. Both front and rear touched. Damn....

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And here's the broken corner seal. I'm debating going with sold corners but I think I'll be sticking with stock. Not to sure yet. Opinions are welcome as always.

http://rotarycarclub.com/rotary_foru...1&d=1329372248

TitaniumTT 02-16-2012 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by rxspeed7 (Post 182339)
Let me get what's in those two boxes(wire and sleeving)!! Lol.

NO!!!!! I actually started making my own wire rack for all that shit... and that's only about 1/2 of what I got. I didn't bring out any of the Tefzel ;)

FC Zach 02-16-2012 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 182335)
I have found the Starbucks energy drinks to be a little more energyifying.....

New word of the day :)

Good luck with the build, hope to see it at the show and maybe this year I'll actually get to chat with ya.

rxspeed7 02-16-2012 02:24 AM

Hopefully you don't plan on reusing the bearings. Everytime I soak rotors in that stuff it eats and pits the Bearing surfaces.

I am def jelly oF the wire supply. You'd shit yourself if you saw our wire dept at work. Lol.

FC Zach 02-16-2012 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by rxspeed7 (Post 182358)
Hopefully you don't plan on reusing the bearings. Everytime I soak rotors in that stuff it eats and pits the Bearing surfaces.

Agree, I've personally seen the aftermath of what has happened from using Purple Power to clean the rotors and not catching before assembly. The motor ran ok for a short period of time till oil pressure was lost.

rxspeed7 02-16-2012 02:33 AM

Yea I hate using/buying new bearings. Esp if they are still good. It's always better to use original bearings than new ones if possible.

Your guys shop looks ficking awesome man!!! Soo much room. Can't wait to see how this turns out!

C. Ludwig 02-16-2012 02:48 AM

3rd on the Purple Power. Don't let bearings or aluminum soak in it. Wear gloves too, unless you want a chemical peel.

rxspeed7 02-16-2012 03:01 AM

Everyone loves that fresh new flesh you get from using that stuff. It's like buying new skin. Lol

2gslse 02-16-2012 04:43 AM

as usual, always pushing the almost impossible timeline which wouldn't be bad if you weren't working on everyone elses crap (RE/FB) you should have posted pics of the trashed plates too.

WE3RX7 02-16-2012 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT (Post 182335)
He was an IT guy and in my experience, no offense to the IT guys reading this, they seem to think that because they deal with computers and cutting edge technology all day long that they can tackle anything.

I can't help but feel somewhat targeted with a statement like that :)

However, who do you think built that awesome Motec Software you enjoy using all day? Wasn't a tuner... although I'm sure a tuner played a big part.


Anyway - as always, I'm looking forward to seeing how this one comes together and it's about time. It's almost as bad as your FD that's been sitting without any attention. :toetap05:


Is there a reason why you DONT want to use solid corner seals? If you don't have enough reason to go against them, I'd use 'em. I don't think they would have held up to that rev count either though....

TitaniumTT 02-16-2012 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by FC Zach (Post 182346)
New word of the day :)

Good luck with the build, hope to see it at the show and maybe this year I'll actually get to chat with ya.

:rofl: Yeah it is.

Thanks man..... it should be there, I definately will be and yeah, I'd like that. Without the coupe and me going in cognitus, I should be able to meet alot more people this year.

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Originally Posted by rxspeed7 (Post 182358)
Hopefully you don't plan on reusing the bearings. Everytime I soak rotors in that stuff it eats and pits the Bearing surfaces.

Really? I've soaked them in that stuff before... the stuff at work... and they come out awesome. No pits no nothing.

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Originally Posted by rxspeed7 (Post 182358)
I am def jelly oF the wire supply. You'd shit yourself if you saw our wire dept at work. Lol.

How so? like good way or bad way?

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Originally Posted by FC Zach (Post 182359)
Agree, I've personally seen the aftermath of what has happened from using Purple Power to clean the rotors and not catching before assembly. The motor ran ok for a short period of time till oil pressure was lost.

Damn.... I'll check 'em out real good, thanks for the tips.

TitaniumTT 02-16-2012 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by rxspeed7 (Post 182360)
Yea I hate using/buying new bearings. Esp if they are still good. It's always better to use original bearings than new ones if possible.

Yup yup/

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Originally Posted by rxspeed7 (Post 182360)
Your guys shop looks ficking awesome man!!! Soo much room. Can't wait to see how this turns out!

Thanks Zach, lots of fun here that's for damn sure.... you're only seeign about 33% of the space we have

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Originally Posted by C. Ludwig (Post 182362)
3rd on the Purple Power. Don't let bearings or aluminum soak in it. Wear gloves too, unless you want a chemical peel.

Wow... thanks for the tip... it can't be that stuff then.... becuase I've been in it without gloves, no ill effect, the bearings I pulled out looked great... I dunno... I'm all worried now to see what these things will look like when I take them out tonight

And a big thanks to you Chris, you've already helped alot with some of your products!

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Originally Posted by rxspeed7 (Post 182363)
Everyone loves that fresh new flesh you get from using that stuff. It's like buying new skin. Lol

:smilielol5:

TitaniumTT 02-16-2012 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 2gslse (Post 182367)
as usual, always pushing the almost impossible timeline which wouldn't be bad if you weren't working on everyone elses crap (RE/FB) you should have posted pics of the trashed plates too.

:rofl: Yup, I wouldn't be me if I wasn't doing just that ;)
Well, I figure I got 10hrs a day to work on everyone elses stuff and get paid for it. 4 hours to do my own stuff. I've got 300+ hours to get the 'vert done. That's 7 normal weeks.... it shouldn't take that long. The key is the discipline to spend the time EVERY night and one full day off on it. If I can do that, it shouldn't be a problem... but yeah... 62 days to build a car :banghead:

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Originally Posted by WE3RX7 (Post 182374)
I can't help but feel somewhat targeted with a statement like that :)

However, who do you think built that awesome Motec Software you enjoy using all day? Wasn't a tuner... although I'm sure a tuner played a big part.

Yeah yeah yeah... don't take it personally,... you're one of the few I guess ;)


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Originally Posted by WE3RX7 (Post 182374)
Anyway - as always, I'm looking forward to seeing how this one comes together and it's about time. It's almost as bad as your FD that's been sitting without any attention. :toetap05:

Yeah, about that... I've had that car for over 2 years now... that will be a full rotisserie build, 20k in parts, full resto-mod THAT car will take me 2-3 years to do at the pace that I'm doing the 'vert :rofl: Once the TTCoupe is back and running, I'll get the FD in my shop and up on the rotisserie and start plugging away. Once it's in primer, the undercarriage is done, and i've got all new bushing, toelinks, etc etc one and the arms are powdercoated, I'll bring her out to PA to start...


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Originally Posted by WE3RX7 (Post 182374)
Is there a reason why you DONT want to use solid corner seals? If you don't have enough reason to go against them, I'd use 'em. I don't think they would have held up to that rev count either though....

Yes, I am aware of 2. Atkins and RX7 specialties. Atkins have a tremendous break in period and don't have the same compression as the stocks... or so Dave has seen. RX7 Specialties warned us not to use them on used housings, they will wear them tremendously..... sooooo yeah. That seal broke becuase the plate touched. It the plate didn't touch, I didn't overrev it, we wouldn't be talking about it, I'd go back to stock.


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