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Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection

I wasnt aware I had a problem, but please, do enlighten me as to the nature of said problem.

All I'm saying is we seem to have the same the same gritty, defensive and aggresive personality. I filter mine on occasion. Between the age of 16 - 19 I got pulled over for
Running a yellow
low 40's in a 30
75 in a 55
35 in a 25 and
85 in a 55 - interesting story behind that one, cop pulls me over from the right lane ans says he caught me at exit 7. I told him thats impossible becuase I got on at 8,
no I caught you at 7,
here's my license, look at the address, why would I backtrack a mile to get on the highway,
I caught you at 7
you caught a red cherokee, I bet I can go to the Jeep dealership and point out 10 red cherokees, my mother even owns one. Do you think it's possible that maybe there was a nother red cherokee that you saw and not me?
He didn't like that and also hit me with failure to use a signal, seatbelt, something else too, when all was said and done it was ~$450.

Then I got a kick in the ass and almost ended up in jail becuase of my mouth. I learned to filter it when dealing with cops. Since 19 I have gotten pulled over for
47 in a 25
52 in a 25
no reg displayed
illegal left turn
got blue lighted for 85 in a 55 and when I started to pull over, he just drove off
I think there were a few others but most recently an illegal u-turn in an unregistered car. I didn't get ticketed for any of those. I changed my approach and it works for me, that's all I'm saying.

Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection

I've never liked the "yes sir, no sir, sorry sir I'll never do it again sir, allow me to offer a totally irrelevant excuse sir, in the hopes that you won't realize I have insulted your intelligence sir, and while you are here may I kiss your ass some more sir?" approach. I'm told it gets real old, real quick, for them, and they'd rather be talked to like normal people in a courteous manner without the asskissing and bullshit.

I'm not saying be a groveling fool. I certainly don't take that approach, but the yes sir, no sir, thank you officer seems to go a LONG way

Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection

I am told that the officer 95% of the time has it made up in his mind before he gets to the B pillar what he is going to do to the driver unless he finds more stuff to charge you with during the course of the stop (it rarely goes the other way, with him planning to ticket you and then deciding not to). TX TOO LONG so unless you have cleavage to flash you are basically at his mercy at that point.

I disagree with that. In my experience, respect goes a long way. I'm not saying offer to stroke his ballon knot with your tongue, but like I said, respect goes a long way, as does admitting fault. If you defend wrong actions, you're fucked.

Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection

I never, and I mean NEVER, give consent to search, and of course I recommend this policy to everyone I know as well. No good can come from it. The police are NOT here to be our friends, they are ALWAYS looking to build a case against us whenever possible...that is their primary role in society.

Most people say "if you don't have anything to hide, what can it hurt?". Plenty. The majority of police are probably honest and normal, but there are still a few bad ones in every department. If you get unlucky enough to run into one of these, who is to say he won't use the opportunity to 'search", to plant something in your car? I live in a pretty small, semi-rural area and even still, some of the departments around here have been known to 'find" drugs in the cars of people I know for a fact are not users or dealers. While such an occurrence may not be LIKELY, why take the chance? We all have nice cars and I for one do not want the cops or the dogs in or around my ride that I have spent time building, tearing up interior panels and such. Because of this, and the fact that it is my right, I refuse to consent.

Most people give consent to search because they just want the experience to be over with, and they figure that doing this will speed their release up. This approach is for the lazy who do not care about their rights, and often it is wrong regardless. Most of the time it does the opposite by adding time to the stop. IF you refuse consent, the cop has 2 options: ticket (or not) you for the original violation, or call for a dog to walk around your car. Just like us, most officers are lazy, and when faced with this choice most will just do a visual survey of the inside of the car as best they can and then go ahead and do whatever they would've done about the first violation. I also tend to think that the chances of the dog hitting and giving a false positive on my car are lower than the chances that a dickhead cop might not like the way I look at him and might see fit to "find" something that wasn't there during a search.

From my experience, and with people that fir my "profile" if you will, the cops are fishing. And I've been told this. Someone in their 30's, nice car, $200 sunglasses, pressed buttondown shirt really doesn't fit the norm of a drug user or dealer. What the cops are looking for are the Wall Street guy who's dabbled in coke to keep going, the lawyer who smokes some weed to relax, shit like that. By simply asking to search thier car, they're trying to figure out in one question, if they are that small percentage or not. By saying, by all means, search my car, you're basically saying I got nothing to hide, I'm not what you're fishing for. By refusing a search, you're basically admitting that there is something in the car.

On the flip side, if you're a total fucking retard like my shitstain younger brothers girlfriend and drive a beat to shit old whatever it was with bumper stickers like phish, and the greatful dead, it's 4:19 you got a minute? you're fucked from the start. It doesn't help that the dumbass was driving around with a bag under her seat. She refused the search, 10 minutes later the cop came back with a warrant and 30 seconds after that she was arrested. Basically, I've been told, always consent to a search. If you say "No," they'll just get a warrant and you'll be searched anyway. If you say yes, and there is something in the car, don't hesitate at all when you say go for it and hopefully the cop won't pick up on you're bluff.

Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection

Aggression? Who said anything about aggression?

Look...in case you didn't "get it" I was making a joke. By saying "on any other track" I was making the joke that the officer would infer that I think the dragon is also "a track". Obviously I was not fully serious with recommending that remark, it was intended to create humor amongst ourselves, but apparently fell on dense readers (or I have an odd sense of humor).

Hey, this is the internet, this is serious business & yes I did think you were being serious in mentioning that, my bad

Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection

I have been known to make small, perfectly legal, comments or questions to the officer. Like perhaps "ah man, you really ticketed me for 48 in a 40? Come on officer, we both know that you go faster than 8 over on a daily basis yourself even when you're off duty, yet you penalize me for doing the same thing? Ever hear of a double standard?". The look on his face is usually priceless, and sometimes I think it makes him stop and think.

That wouldn't fly with any of the cops up north, at least none in my area.

Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection

I once (before I had a v1) got stopped for 66 in a 60 in a speed trap area (artificially low set speed limit on a 4 lane interstate not yet in a city area) as I crossed a county line in NC on the interstate heading toward asheville. When the officer returned with my ticket, as I signed it I said "so I take it you are the welcome committee for XXX county...you must not get many return visitors with a greeting like this". He actually enjoyed the truth in my comment, it seems, because he grinned from ear to ear and had to stop himself from laughing..

Yeah, if I said that to a cop up here, he wouldn't be laughing with me, he'd be laughing at me all the time thinking, you poor SOB

Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection

While that is kinda cool that you basically have a "get out of jail free" card, but it has always seemed counter productive to me, to fund the very organization you hope to avoid contact with, while in fact you are probably funding more officers and equipment which then increases your (and others') chances of contact with them. I suppose if I still raised as much hell as I did 12 or 13 years ago then this might be a worthwhile investment, but for the occasional traffic stop every year or 2 that I get into now, it wouldn't seem worth fooling with to me, not to mention the fact that I just dont like the idea of giving them money, either voluntarily or via a ticket/fine.

Nah, you mis-understood what the purpose of it is. It's for CT state troopers, officers, and correctional officers who are disabled in the line of duty. It's for the widows/orphans of the fallen. Think 9/11 victims fund without the corruption becuase there are like 5 people who tend to it. The money doesn't go to any state or local precincts, and I get to write it off on my taxes. I plan on writing that check, for whatever the amount is, for the rest of my life. If there was a national one, I'd donate to that one as well.

If your approach works for you, great. But I can tell you a few of the comments that seem to be enjoyed in TN or NC, won't go over well in CT, NY Metro or anywhere in MA or RI and that's where I'm getting my experience from.