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Don Mega
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Barry, ALL of the total sum faces fire once in 1080 degree's, nothing more nothing less.
Like I tell my students, you need to take time out and see the pictures, if you don't get it at first do not worry you are not the first and not the last to get confused on how internal combustion engines work. 2 stroke 4 stroke Wankel Its pretty simple really. ![]()
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Don Mega
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For EVERYONE remember this.
In 360 deg ALL CYLINDERS in a 2 stoke fire once! no matter if its single or a V16! In 720 deg ALL CYLINDERS in a 4 stroke fire once! no matter if its a single or a V16! In 1080 deg ALL faces of a rotary wankel fire once! no matter if its a single rotor or a 4+ rotor! Which ever formula you decide to use in your PISTON applications you need to know which EQUIVALENCE displacement to use (2 stroke, 4 stroke or wankel) there are no aftermarket ECU's set up to run the true Wankel cycle or count the individual rotor faces based of its ACTUAL cycle (which is only 1080deg, nothing less)......... so you just need to know how a motor works and apply the other piston engine formulas to the wankel as appropriate (as I showed all of you) ![]()
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Peter, I was curious about something. Would there be any benefit in engine control with ECU of such abilities? Like better fueling of individual chambers?
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![]() Yes there are major benefits! Mazda racing ECU's and stock ECU's are of this type 1080 deg true Wankel cycle, it is the only way to truely look at the engine. Otherwise you do need to do alot of conversions to adapt all the other ECU's, not to hard to do, but most dont get it, especially when you are looking at things like control of injector opening and closing degree's etc.
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Interesting question, Barry.
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In a similar fashion, you could compare a 1.3L two stroke piston engine to a 2.6L four-stroke piston engine... both ingest the same amount of air in 720 degrees, but the 1.3L two-stroke occupies less space and will weigh less assuming similar materials are used to build both engines. Is this starting to sound familiar? If I'm not mistaken, the two-stroke should have less torque at low RPM greater fuel consumption than the four-stroke. I'm not an engine expert (rotary or piston) so please correct this if I'm wrong.
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![]() ![]() You may not know where each individual rotor face is but that is not an issue so far as knowing the actuall Wankel Cycle and when to trigger things.
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you are wrong though, piston engines suck all the time ![]() mike |
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example (4) would take 1800º to complete all faces of its trochoid shape. Different rotor/stationary gear ratios would be used to accommodate the 4 in 3 and 5 in 4 trochoid mesh. Barry ![]() |
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Don Mega
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I am ONLY refering to the Wankel Rotary I pictured and as we all use, drive and modify
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