Goopy Performance resurfaced rotor housings,THEY WORK!!! - Page 2

Judge Ito · 12-18-2010, 10:09 AM

engine@ idle.. 750 Rpm's 12 inches of vacuum on a decently large streeport..

http://s254.photobucket.com/albums/h...Picture012.flv

Judge Ito · 12-18-2010, 10:11 AM

picture of the actual streetport on my kid's turboII.. and need I say she drives her turbo II like a MAD women every single day.

Judge Ito · 12-18-2010, 10:18 AM

my kid's turbo II engine was the first guinea pig. 3 years later still pulls 12 inches and 125 to 128psi of compression on the tester. those rotor housings had flaked edges.. I repeat, I'm a skeptic that turned into a believer.. cheers..

Judge Ito · 12-18-2010, 10:22 AM

my nephews series 5 turbo II. also has this work done to it. his rotor housings had no flaking to begging with. this engines pulls 14-14.9 inches of vacuum with my streetport.

Judge Ito · 12-18-2010, 10:27 AM

NoDOHC · 12-20-2010, 12:16 AM

I like those ports! No wasted little digs upward on the housing side of the port to delay port close while not helping flow.

I think they might be a little big for my blood though. Mine pulls 18" Hg at Idle (5 BTDC and bone stock close time).

Still, I really like this re-chromed housing idea.

***TitaniumTT*** · 12-20-2010, 04:45 AM

Its not re-chroming, it's machining the existing housing. Jon brought a few of these to the rotary factory meet and I was impressed with them. He'll be getting a pair or two of mine to machine down shortly.

t_g_farrell · 12-20-2010, 12:27 PM

I'd like to hear from Goopy about the basic process they are doing to
achive this. Not that they have to give away any proprietary info, just
an outline of what they do to achieve this and what tech they use
to make it happen. Like, is this a grind down and then recoat with
some surface treatment or is it some sort of resleaving of the inner
surface.

TT said its just a machined surface. So if thats the case the housing to
rotor apex seal clearance increases. I expect this is why they recommend
their apex seals. How much typically does it increase I wonder?

JustJeff · 12-20-2010, 01:12 PM

^ I'm guessing it's a similar process to having irons lapped. I doubt the amount they take off will affect housing to apex seal clearance. Apex seal springs are pressing the seals into the housing. It's evening out the surface of the housings and thus providing better compression.

From Judge Ito's endorsement, it breaths new life into worn housings.

NoDOHC · 12-20-2010, 07:32 PM

Oh, so they don't re-crome them?

That makes it much easier, as the criteria can be easily determined - no gouges through the chrome.

Judge Ito · 12-20-2010, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoDOHC

Oh, so they don't re-crome them?

That makes it much easier, as the criteria can be easily determined - no gouges through the chrome.

no re-chrome....

GoopyPerformance · 12-20-2010, 11:38 PM

In today's economy everyone is looking for cost effective solutions and the best way to get maximum performance for their dollar. That was Goopy Performance's thinking and objective behind our ROTOR HOUSING REFURBISHING service.

When any of us consider rebuilding a rotary engine, the condition of the housings is a key factor. Up until now the options have been either 1.) use your housings as is or 2.) buy new housings at the cost of approximately $1,300 per pair or more. If porting had already been done on these housings, the real cost of replacement could include an additional $200 to $400.

Goopy Performance's process provides a solution at approximately 10% of the cost of replacement while providing not a 100% new surface for your seals to break into but a "like new" surface in the very high 90 percentile (95-99%) in most cases.

Here is an attempt to answer most of your questions from recent posts ...

1. We are NOT resurfacing or adding new material to the housings. We are refurbishing or refreshing the existing hard chrome surface.

2. NO we do not have data or photos showing results after 20,000 miles. However, we have had very high HP racers running our refurbished housings with our Goopy Performance Apex Seals for a full race season (40-50+ passes) while maintaining very high compression and no damage of any kind.

3. PRICING is $125 US per pair of housings with you paying for the shipping to and from Goopy Performance. This includes media blasting of the housings to achieve the "like new" appearance as seen in Judge Ito's photos. Please do not send dirty, greasy housings or there will be an additional $25 “Cleaning Fee”.

4. Our refurbishing process greatly improves all of the conditions mentioned in various different posts ... scratches, scoring, gauling and flaking edges. Our process provides a relatively flat, uniform, matte housing surface for your new seals to break-in to. The true measure of the effectiveness of the process is the compression numbers that are achieved when your engine is rebuilt, not just how the housings look. Our experience with our refurbishing along with using our Goopy Performance Apex Seals is that we have consistently produced compression readings at or above factory stock specifications. Also refer to Judge Ito’s experience after 3 years of having compression numbers of 125-128 psi.

5. The SIDE PIECE on the Goopy Performance Apex Seals does not come to such a sharp point at the housing surface like if does on many other apex seal designs. We believe this design improvement yields less wear and deterioration at the housing edges that cause potential compression leakage.

6. In most cases the amount of material removed to achieve these “like new” results is relatively insignificant. In our experience, utilizing our Goopy Performance Apex Seals which are manufactured at the same height as OEM seals, we have not experienced any issues due to the removal of this minimal amount of material.

7. If you are unsure if your housings are candidates for our refurbishing process please send photos and description to info@goopyperformance.com before expending your time and resources on packing and shipping.
However, if we receive housings that we consider to be beyond repair with our process, we will notify you before any work is done.

8. We provide our housing refurbishing service on all models of rotor housings.

Please email to info@goopyperformance.com if we have not addressed all of your earlier questions or new ones have come up in the meantime.

hades · 12-20-2010, 11:47 PM

awesome stuff.

Do you guys do other engine work - rebuilds, porting, etc?

Judge Ito · 12-21-2010, 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoopyPerformance

In today's economy everyone is looking for cost effective solutions and the best way to get maximum performance for their dollar. That was Goopy Performance's thinking and objective behind our ROTOR HOUSING REFURBISHING service.

When any of us consider rebuilding a rotary engine, the condition of the housings is a key factor. Up until now the options have been either 1.) use your housings as is or 2.) buy new housings at the cost of approximately $1,300 per pair or more. If porting had already been done on these housings, the real cost of replacement could include an additional $200 to $400.

Goopy Performance's process provides a solution at approximately 10% of the cost of replacement while providing not a 100% new surface for your seals to break into but a "like new" surface in the very high 90 percentile (95-99%) in most cases.

Here is an attempt to answer most of your questions from recent posts ...

1. We are NOT resurfacing or adding new material to the housings. We are refurbishing or refreshing the existing hard chrome surface.

2. NO we do not have data or photos showing results after 20,000 miles. However, we have had very high HP racers running our refurbished housings with our Goopy Performance Apex Seals for a full race season (40-50+ passes) while maintaining very high compression and no damage of any kind.

3. PRICING is $125 US per pair of housings with you paying for the shipping to and from Goopy Performance. This includes media blasting of the housings to achieve the "like new" appearance as seen in Judge Ito's photos. Please do not send dirty, greasy housings or there will be an additional $25 “Cleaning Fee”.

4. Our refurbishing process greatly improves all of the conditions mentioned in various different posts ... scratches, scoring, gauling and flaking edges. Our process provides a relatively flat, uniform, matte housing surface for your new seals to break-in to. The true measure of the effectiveness of the process is the compression numbers that are achieved when your engine is rebuilt, not just how the housings look. Our experience with our refurbishing along with using our Goopy Performance Apex Seals is that we have consistently produced compression readings at or above factory stock specifications. Also refer to Judge Ito’s experience after 3 years of having compression numbers of 125-128 psi.

5. The SIDE PIECE on the Goopy Performance Apex Seals does not come to such a sharp point at the housing surface like if does on many other apex seal designs. We believe this design improvement yields less wear and deterioration at the housing edges that cause potential compression leakage.

6. In most cases the amount of material removed to achieve these “like new” results is relatively insignificant. In our experience, utilizing our Goopy Performance Apex Seals which are manufactured at the same height as OEM seals, we have not experienced any issues due to the removal of this minimal amount of material.

7. If you are unsure if your housings are candidates for our refurbishing process please send photos and description to info@goopyperformance.com before expending your time and resources on packing and shipping.
However, if we receive housings that we consider to be beyond repair with our process, we will notify you before any work is done.

8. We provide our housing refurbishing service on all models of rotor housings.

Please email to info@goopyperformance.com if we have not addressed all of your earlier questions or new ones have come up in the meantime.

thank you..

RotaryXperiment · 12-29-2010, 06:04 PM

will it matter if u are using new or used apex seals to have a difference with these redone housings?

12-18-2010, 10:22 AM	#19
Judge Ito Porting Master Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North Jersey, USA Posts: 154 Rep Power: 17	my nephews series 5 turbo II. also has this work done to it. his rotor housings had no flaking to begging with. this engines pulls 14-14.9 inches of vacuum with my streetport. Last edited by Judge Ito; 12-18-2010 at 10:28 AM.

12-20-2010, 12:16 AM	#21
NoDOHC The quest for more torque Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sheboygan, Wisconsin Posts: 855 Rep Power: 17	I like those ports! No wasted little digs upward on the housing side of the port to delay port close while not helping flow. I think they might be a little big for my blood though. Mine pulls 18" Hg at Idle (5 BTDC and bone stock close time). Still, I really like this re-chromed housing idea. __________________ 1986 GXL ('87 4-port NA - Haltech E8, LS2 Coils. Defined Autoworks Headers, Dual 2.5" Exhaust (Dual Superflow, dBX mufflers) 1991 Coupe (KYB AGX Shocks, Eibach lowering springs, RB exhaust, Stock and Automatic)

12-20-2010, 04:45 AM	#22
*TitaniumTT* Test Whore - Admin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right Behind you son Posts: 4,581 Rep Power: 10	Its not re-chroming, it's machining the existing housing. Jon brought a few of these to the rotary factory meet and I was impressed with them. He'll be getting a pair or two of mine to machine down shortly. __________________ -The Angry Stig- DGRR 2009, 2011, 2012 & 2013 - Best FC DEALS GAP!! WOOHOOOO!!!!! 2015 Audi S4 - Samantha - Zero Brap S4 2004 RX8 - Jocelyn - 196rwhp, 19mpg fuel to noise converter 2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport - Wifey mobile - Now with 2.5" OME lift and 30" BFG AT KO's! So it begins 1998 Jeep Cherokee - 5 spd, 4" lift, 33" BFG's - Rotary Tow Vehicle 1988 'Vert - In progress 1988 FC Coupe - Gretchen -The attention whore BEAST! I'm a sick individual, what's wrong with you? I'm pure Evil I'm still insane, in the best possible way. I think Brian's idea of romance is using lube. Your rage caused the meteor strike in Russia. The Antichrist would be proud of his minion. You win with your thread. Most everything It's a truck with a steel gate on the back. Just a statement of fact Motec M820, AIM dash, ported 13B-RE Cosmo, 6-spd trans, 4.3 Torsen, custom twin wg fully divided mani, Custom 4" split into 2x 3" exhaust, Custom HMIC, Custom custom custom custom I like to welder stuff.... No Bolt-ons allowed. Dyno'ed @ Speed1 Tuned by me - 405rwhp on WG.... WM50 cuming soon. *-Angry Motherfcker Mode ENGAGED-**

12-20-2010, 12:27 PM	#23
t_g_farrell Waffles - hmmm good Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Huntersville, NC Posts: 757 Rep Power: 0	I'd like to hear from Goopy about the basic process they are doing to achive this. Not that they have to give away any proprietary info, just an outline of what they do to achieve this and what tech they use to make it happen. Like, is this a grind down and then recoat with some surface treatment or is it some sort of resleaving of the inner surface. TT said its just a machined surface. So if thats the case the housing to rotor apex seal clearance increases. I expect this is why they recommend their apex seals. How much typically does it increase I wonder? __________________ 1980 GS stockport, Fat Nikki, RB Dual Facetfuel pumps, Holley regulator, RB Street port exhaust, 2GDFIS, MR2 MK I electric fans, 2G strut bar, relayed fans, lights and fuel pump, LEDs Project Fat Nikki Budget 12A rebuild Video setup < $30.00

12-20-2010, 07:32 PM	#25
NoDOHC The quest for more torque Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sheboygan, Wisconsin Posts: 855 Rep Power: 17	Oh, so they don't re-crome them? That makes it much easier, as the criteria can be easily determined - no gouges through the chrome. __________________ 1986 GXL ('87 4-port NA - Haltech E8, LS2 Coils. Defined Autoworks Headers, Dual 2.5" Exhaust (Dual Superflow, dBX mufflers) 1991 Coupe (KYB AGX Shocks, Eibach lowering springs, RB exhaust, Stock and Automatic)

12-18-2010, 10:09 AM	#16
Judge Ito Porting Master Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North Jersey, USA Posts: 154 Rep Power: 17	engine@ idle.. 750 Rpm's 12 inches of vacuum on a decently large streeport.. http://s254.photobucket.com/albums/h...Picture012.flv

12-18-2010, 10:11 AM	#17
Judge Ito Porting Master Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North Jersey, USA Posts: 154 Rep Power: 17	picture of the actual streetport on my kid's turboII.. and need I say she drives her turbo II like a MAD women every single day.

12-18-2010, 10:18 AM	#18
Judge Ito Porting Master Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North Jersey, USA Posts: 154 Rep Power: 17	my kid's turbo II engine was the first guinea pig. 3 years later still pulls 12 inches and 125 to 128psi of compression on the tester. those rotor housings had flaked edges.. I repeat, I'm a skeptic that turned into a believer.. cheers..

12-18-2010, 10:27 AM	#20
Judge Ito Porting Master Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North Jersey, USA Posts: 154 Rep Power: 17

12-20-2010, 01:12 PM	#24
JustJeff RCC Contributor Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 505 Rep Power: 18	^ I'm guessing it's a similar process to having irons lapped. I doubt the amount they take off will affect housing to apex seal clearance. Apex seal springs are pressing the seals into the housing. It's evening out the surface of the housings and thus providing better compression. From Judge Ito's endorsement, it breaths new life into worn housings.

12-20-2010, 11:38 PM	#27
GoopyPerformance Rotary parts manufacture Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Stony point NY Posts: 170 Rep Power: 15	In today's economy everyone is looking for cost effective solutions and the best way to get maximum performance for their dollar. That was Goopy Performance's thinking and objective behind our ROTOR HOUSING REFURBISHING service. When any of us consider rebuilding a rotary engine, the condition of the housings is a key factor. Up until now the options have been either 1.) use your housings as is or 2.) buy new housings at the cost of approximately $1,300 per pair or more. If porting had already been done on these housings, the real cost of replacement could include an additional $200 to $400. Goopy Performance's process provides a solution at approximately 10% of the cost of replacement while providing not a 100% new surface for your seals to break into but a "like new" surface in the very high 90 percentile (95-99%) in most cases. Here is an attempt to answer most of your questions from recent posts ... 1. We are NOT resurfacing or adding new material to the housings. We are refurbishing or refreshing the existing hard chrome surface. 2. NO we do not have data or photos showing results after 20,000 miles. However, we have had very high HP racers running our refurbished housings with our Goopy Performance Apex Seals for a full race season (40-50+ passes) while maintaining very high compression and no damage of any kind. 3. PRICING is $125 US per pair of housings with you paying for the shipping to and from Goopy Performance. This includes media blasting of the housings to achieve the "like new" appearance as seen in Judge Ito's photos. Please do not send dirty, greasy housings or there will be an additional $25 “Cleaning Fee”. 4. Our refurbishing process greatly improves all of the conditions mentioned in various different posts ... scratches, scoring, gauling and flaking edges. Our process provides a relatively flat, uniform, matte housing surface for your new seals to break-in to. The true measure of the effectiveness of the process is the compression numbers that are achieved when your engine is rebuilt, not just how the housings look. Our experience with our refurbishing along with using our Goopy Performance Apex Seals is that we have consistently produced compression readings at or above factory stock specifications. Also refer to Judge Ito’s experience after 3 years of having compression numbers of 125-128 psi. 5. The SIDE PIECE on the Goopy Performance Apex Seals does not come to such a sharp point at the housing surface like if does on many other apex seal designs. We believe this design improvement yields less wear and deterioration at the housing edges that cause potential compression leakage. 6. In most cases the amount of material removed to achieve these “like new” results is relatively insignificant. In our experience, utilizing our Goopy Performance Apex Seals which are manufactured at the same height as OEM seals, we have not experienced any issues due to the removal of this minimal amount of material. 7. If you are unsure if your housings are candidates for our refurbishing process please send photos and description to info@goopyperformance.com before expending your time and resources on packing and shipping. However, if we receive housings that we consider to be beyond repair with our process, we will notify you before any work is done. 8. We provide our housing refurbishing service on all models of rotor housings. Please email to info@goopyperformance.com if we have not addressed all of your earlier questions or new ones have come up in the meantime.

12-20-2010, 11:47 PM	#28
hades Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Freedom Land Posts: 316 Rep Power: 18	awesome stuff. Do you guys do other engine work - rebuilds, porting, etc? __________________ This is going to tear

12-29-2010, 06:04 PM	#30
RotaryXperiment Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Bradenton, Fl Posts: 136 Rep Power: 18	will it matter if u are using new or used apex seals to have a difference with these redone housings?