Pineapple Racing Yoohoo Water Pump Belt - Page 2

djmtsu · 03-30-2008, 04:07 PM

Very good point.

It doesn't matter how you go about preventing belt slippage, both the dual alt pulley and yoohoo belt work.

A side mount alternator will remove all belt slippage across the water pump pulley since the belt wraps around over 30% (around).

I have had the dual alt pulley on since I did my TII swap, drove it everyday for a year, been to Deals Gap Rotary Rally twice, and never have had any issues.

Unless you are discussing high RPM's over a long period (ie: racing) everyone is arguing a moot point.

impulsive-RX7 · 03-31-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MaczPayne

I have a napa belt on my car. It's priced quite well compared to the pineapple yoohoo belt.

+1. Napa belt part number 3L220 I think.

My5ABaby · 03-31-2008, 12:40 PM

If a belt breaks, I'd rather have 1 more left turning the pump than none.

Phoenix7 · 03-31-2008, 01:08 PM

have you seen the yohoo belt? I dont see how it can break as easily as an ALt belt. I just don't see it breaking anytime soon. I check belts and fluids when I'm filling up so I'll keep an eye on it and keep track of it's condition.

All said and done, I think my method is better.

Here is a pic:

My5ABaby · 03-31-2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by phoenix7

have you seen the yohoo belt? I dont see how it can break as easily as an ALt belt. I just don't see it breaking anytime soon. I check belts and fluids when I'm filling up so I'll keep an eye on it and keep track of it's condition.

All said and done, I think my method is better.

I figure it'll break just as easy as an alternator belt. It's spinning at the same speed, has (theoretically) the same stresses on it. If anything, it's longer and has more places to fuck up?

Phoenix7 · 03-31-2008, 01:38 PM

it's not longer. It's a short, fat (thick) belt.

Their sales pitch sold me though:

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The Pineapple Racing Yoohoo Belt™ is a proven means to avoid a slipping water pump on a Mazda rotary engine without an air pump. The alternator belt alone does not provide enough contact with the water pump, so it tends to slip when properly tensioned. If overtightened to stop the slipping, the belt may break and/or cause damage to the engine from side-loading the end of the eccentric shaft, as well as cause damage to your alternator and water pump bearings.

Dual belt alternator pulley setups are a poor alternative because most nominally correct sized belts vary in actual length, making them impossible to tension equally. So, either one belt is too loose and slips or one is overtightened and eventually breaks. Further, if one belt breaks, it usually takes out the other belt at the same time.

The Yoohoo Belt™ runs from the main pulley to the water pump and back. There is no tensioning adjustment. You just walk the belt onto both pulleys and the tension will be correct. It can be a little loose because there is so much contact area that it will not slip. Also, if the alternator belt happens to break, the water pump is still driven. You can drive a lot farther without an alternator than without a water pump, which can be important in order to reach the next exit or the nearest parking lot.

My5ABaby · 03-31-2008, 01:46 PM

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it's not longer. It's a short, fat (thick) belt.

I meant my belts are longer. I see now it was a bit confusing how I worded it.

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Dual belt alternator pulley setups are a poor alternative because most nominally correct sized belts vary in actual length, making them impossible to tension equally. So, either one belt is too loose and slips or one is overtightened and eventually breaks. Further, if one belt breaks, it usually takes out the other belt at the same time.

That's crap.

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There is no tensioning adjustment.

Translation: God we hope it fits right because if it doesn't you have no way to adjust it.

Although the yoohoo belt isn't Pineapple's, on a side note, I don't trust Pineapple. I haven't dealt with them directly, but I don't think they have good business policies. Their 5/6th sleeve inserts have a "Typical improvement is about 8hp, but results vary" yet they refuse to back that up with dyno's.

Phoenix7 · 03-31-2008, 02:01 PM

only time will tell.

My5ABaby · 03-31-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by phoenix7

only time will tell.

Nope, I'm right and you're wrong. Lol. j/k

For real though, they're probably both good ways to do it.

In other news, I'm thinking of putting my emissions back on and I'm wondering if I can still run the dual alternator pulley. That'd be one long belt...

classicauto · 03-31-2008, 02:13 PM

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Dual belt alternator pulley setups are a poor alternative because most nominally correct sized belts vary in actual length, making them impossible to tension equally.

Just wanted to address this.

Those running a dual setup and find this problem need to make sure to buy whats known as a match pair of belts. They're cut from the same batch of rubber and thus, are exactly the same size. This is very common for applications like transports that use dual belts, but not so much on these cars so expect that they may need to be ordered in.

classicauto · 03-31-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by My5ABaby

In other news, I'm thinking of putting my emissions back on and I'm wondering if I can still run the dual alternator pulley. That'd be one long belt...

I don't think you can. The airpump belt will ride where the 2nd belt on the dual pulley will go. You can leave the dual pulley on, but it will have one unused sheath.

My5ABaby · 03-31-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by classicauto

Just wanted to address this.

Those running a dual setup and find this problem need to make sure to buy whats known as a match pair of belts. They're cut from the same batch of rubber and thus, are exactly the same size. This is very common for applications like transports that use dual belts, but not so much on these cars so expect that they may need to be ordered in.

I've always just picked and chose from what they have and found two that were very close.

They're still going good.

I'll probably do your way from now on though.

My5ABaby · 03-31-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by classicauto

I don't think you can. The airpump belt will ride where the 2nd belt on the dual pulley will go. You can leave the dual pulley on, but it will have one unused sheath.

Hmmm, I'm having trouble picturing it in my head. Is it possible to still use the 2nd alternator pulley slot? In theory...

Phoenix7 · 03-31-2008, 02:26 PM

Good tip classic. I've never heard of that before.

Boostmaniac · 04-06-2008, 01:44 AM

Good stuff in here.

03-30-2008, 04:07 PM	#16
djmtsu My minds tellin' me no... Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Murfreesboro, TN Posts: 4,043 Rep Power: 22	Very good point. It doesn't matter how you go about preventing belt slippage, both the dual alt pulley and yoohoo belt work. A side mount alternator will remove all belt slippage across the water pump pulley since the belt wraps around over 30% (around). I have had the dual alt pulley on since I did my TII swap, drove it everyday for a year, been to Deals Gap Rotary Rally twice, and never have had any issues. Unless you are discussing high RPM's over a long period (ie: racing) everyone is arguing a moot point. __________________ 1976 Mazda Cosmo RX-5 1976 Mazda Cosmo RX-5 2003 Toyota Tundra TRD 2015 Toyota 4Runner SR5

03-31-2008, 12:40 PM	#18
My5ABaby Sigh..... Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Murfreesboro, TN Posts: 2,377 Rep Power: 20	If a belt breaks, I'd rather have 1 more left turning the pump than none.

04-06-2008, 01:44 AM	#30
Boostmaniac Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 182 Rep Power: 0	Good stuff in here.