17x9+20 with no stretch?

[iani1.1]

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

Take the springs off, then completely compress the susepension and then post pics of your rim hitting the wheel wells and NOT CLEARING by 3/4". Then you can tell me they fit. Until then, they don't fit and honestly I'm getting a little tired of saying this... stop posting up that they will fit when they clearly don't.

Maybe I should go pull the stock XJ rims/tires out and bolt them onto my FC an post pics of them "fitting"

what does taking off the suspension have to do with it? so you roll around with no suspension? no wonder none of your wheels fit. im sorry dude but i clearly have proof to support my claim.

[TitaniumTT]

Yeah, that's how I roll... you can't get any more slammed than no suspension...

You just clearly don't understand the simplest of things relating to this subject, do you?

Here is what YOU need to do.

Jack your car up, remove one front and one rear strut/shock assembly.
Dissassemble and remove the spring
Assemble back onto the car
Bolt tire on
Cycle suspension up and down and take pics of where your tire or wheel hits the body

Until you do that... and this is the last time I'm going to say this.... STOP SAYING THAT THOSE WHEELS FIT.

[TehMonkay]

So what happens when you hit that one hard bump and your fender atches your tire tread?

Being a VW owner (not some gay ass roof rack shaved slammed stretch BS one) i've seen my fair share of what happens from other people.

[iani1.1]

i still dont get what youre trying to prove with removing the suspension. dude, the suspension doesnt travel that far unless you have cut springs or no springs for that matter. common sense, breh

[TitaniumTT]

I'm proving you wrong. Yes, the suspension does move that much. You're lacking the power and grip to move the suspension enough. Your wheels do not fit properly.

and don't call me breh

[iani1.1]

dude, no it doesnt. the springs just wont allow for your suspension to bottom out unless your trying to pull some duke of hazzard. that with stock suspension and what not.

[TitaniumTT]

Yes it does. Like I said, you're lacking the grip and power to flex the suspension enough to do so. You're next post in this thread better contain pics of your car with the wheel tucked up in the well and the rim hitting the body.q

[iani1.1]

i did mention it is a drift car a little bit ago right?

here

[TitaniumTT]

Thanks for proving my point. MY POINT

Go lower and what happens? THE RIM HITS! WOW!!!! Put a proper size tire on and what happens?? IT HITS!! SAY IT ISN'T SO!!

I don't care what you use it for, it's an FC, and someone wanting and looking for information on proper fitting wheels may come across this thread and be more than pissed off after buying rims that don't fit based on what you "think" fits by running retarded amounts of camber, wrong size tires, etc etc.

[TehMonkay]

Nah, most VW owners buy cheap coilovers and lower the car as much as possible and fit their wheels/tires like you.

By the way, on street tires at autocross i've managed to get my tread completely covered by the fender, no cut springs, stock suspension, what would happen in the case of what you posted? Rubbing, it would probably cause the car to handle erraticly, you'd eat up your tread fuck up the fenders and probably get kicked out.

Then again real racers don't stretch their tires, just fad sack riders and drift kiddies.

Also, if you remove the springs, youll still hit bump stops, and when it comes to the real world that's the real limiter of travel unless it's a track only car, then again you also dont really race at all either.

[josh18_2k]

Originally Posted by classicauto

I'm still certain they don't fit without a stretched tire. I've had 17x9 +24 up front before on my old N/A and needed good maount of pull for 245's. There's no way you could go another 4mm out and not need a pull, or a stretch, to fit.

The wheels themselves will clear things, but you won't get proper width tires on them without rubbing.

Right?

i think this is a real source of confusion/debate in the whole 'wheel fitment' thing. i think what people are really after is tire fitment, but most people dont seem to realize that. will a 17x9 +24 wheel fit up front? the true question here is "will the wheel contact my suspension." if not, the wheel fits. the next (seperate) question is "will XXX tire fit?" its really not the same question.

as you stated, 245's on a 24mm offset take some work to fit. doesnt matter how wide the wheel is, the tire clearance doesnt change. if you're stretching the 245 over a an 11" wheel, or ballooning it onto a 7, the tire/fender fitment is the same.

people seem to forget (or not realzie) that TIRE fitment is all about offset. wheel width really doesnt have anything to do with it. if dude wants to run a 255 up front, theres an answer for that. 215s? a different answer.

in this case, the OP asked about a wheel with no mention of a tire. so technically, Ian is not incorrect. if the question was about a tire size, then his post would have been irrelevant. ian posted a pic of a 17x9 +20 wheel on his car- it obviously doesnt contact his suspension, and if it pokes out too much for ssomeone's tastes, they can tell just by looking at it. theres really no reason for debate beyond that. it would be another story if someone is posting that a wheel fits without any sort of reference (i could easily run around telling people that a 17x10 +55 wheel fits an FC)

i think i might be rambling by this point (wtf am i doing online during thanksgiving anyway lol)

[TitaniumTT]

While I agree with most of that, my definition of fitment is, can it fit, fully cycle the suspension and not have it make contact? In the case of the 17x9 +20, no it won't. It will hit the arch in the rear. Therefore, no fit. Sure, you could run a stiff suspension, 205 tires and daily drive the thing and probably get away with it, but that doesn't make it right. Just like I won't say a 10.5" wide tire on stock XJ rims fits. Like I said, been driving for 2+ years but it doesn't fit. I'm also OCD, quite picky, a numbers guy and very literal.

And you're probably online for the same reason I was.... to get away from the madness. Now I'm sure it's different though, I'm online waiting for my shop to get up to temp... somewhere around 65* should be attained in the next 5 minutes

[josh18_2k]

my picture of the 285 was to prove that the wheel WONT hit the fender. no 17" tire has a sidewall short enough to allow the edge of the wheel to hit. the shortest tire he could possibly run is a 205/40/17, the sidewall of which is a mere 0.15" shorter than my 285 in the picture. notice that i have more clearance than that between the edge of the wheel and the fender. also note that corksport fender arches sit lower than stock. there is no way any wheel will ever hit a front fender on an FC with a tire mounted. that is fact.

the rear is a different story.

just had mai yams lol


btw heres an inside pic of the 285 fully compressed.
the body line you see on FC front fenders are just about equal with the frame rail. i can always tell when a slammed car is riding the frame. ive had plenty of those arguments... people who think their cars handle "on rails" whilst riding the frame.

ian only has about an inch of travel in his pic. probably enough for his uses, and even if he does hit the frame rail it wont affect him much.
fwiw, i set my ride height by spray painting the top insides of my fenders and setting it so it rubs slightly on slicks.

[TitaniumTT]

I've been talking soley rear and ONLY stock bodied This is where the difference is. As I believe he has a different size on the front. Like I said, my 17x9+35 cleared the stock rear lips by a matter of mm's, there is no way there was 15mm there and you can even see in one of the pics the rim is just about to touch the body.

I like that idea on setting ride height as I don't have to worry about tires rubbing body work right now. With the 275 I plan on running next year... I might.

Just had another cup of coffee.... shop should be warm... time to take a few hole saws and jig saws to a perfectly good hood

[josh18_2k]

ohhhh yah, i've been talking solely about fronts, as was the OP and ian. ian has 17x9 +20 up front. his rears are 17x10 +something else, so thats a different story. he has corksport overfenders in the rear, they're just molded on so its really hard to tell in the pic he posted.
i dont think anyone was talking about rear fitment up to this point?

EDIT: ok he only has the corksport fenders in some of his pics. but regardless, rear camber plays a much bigger factor on fitment than anything else, so you really cant say whether or not any questionable wheel will fit without knowing the alignment.
i pulled my fenders to run 17x10/5 +27 with 285's at 1*, but with uncorrected, it most likely will tuck inside with just rolling the inner fender lip.

no idea what ian runs for rear camber. hes kinda gone now :-/