DGRR Car Show Issues

***Herblenny*** · 05-06-2011, 07:23 AM

Before I began, I would like to apologize for the way car show was handled.

I have had several people not quite satisfied with the way the car show was handled and for the next year, it will be handled in the following manner.

1. Judges will go through a training on how to judge a car show
2. Car show will be judged in following area using point scoring system.

Quote:

EXTERIOR BODY – 20 pts
Cleanliness 1 – 5 pts
Modifications 1 – 10 pts
Paint and Graphics 1 – 5 pts

ENGINE – 20 pts
Cleanliness 1 – 5 pts
Modifications 1 – 10 pts
Paint/powdercoating/polishing 1 – 5

UNDERCARRIAGE – 10 pts
Cleanliness 1 – 5 pts
Suspensions/stance 1 – 5pts

WHEELS – 15 pts
Cleanliness 1 – 5 pts
Appearance/Size 1 – 10 pts

INTERIOR – 15 pts
Cleanliness 1 – 5 pts
Entertainment 1 – 5 pts
Special Features 1 – 5 pts

OVERALL APPEARANCE – 20 pts
1 – 20 pts

TOTAL = 100 pts

*Show car form will be given out at the registration and it must be on your car*
**Top 5 cars from each categories will be judged again by different judge(s)**
***In case of tie(s), following category score will be looked at to determine the winner - 1. Overall Appearance. If tied: 2. Total Exterior Body Score. After that, 3. Engine total score... and then 4. Interior.***

3. New categories will be created when more than 10 cars are present (example if 10 or more 20B cars are signed up by a month before the event)

4. New categories such "Best Engine Bay", "Best Exterior Mods", "Best Stance", and "Best Stock" will be created.

5. Best of show winner can not win 2 consecutive years as Best of Show nor qualified to win 1st place. 1st place winner can win 1st place and Best of Show following year. Also Best of the show winner will be asked to be a judge following year.

6. Parking issues will be resolved.. I know parking was a mess because of the location and people not moving their cars.. A night before, we will make sure people who's parking in the lot will move next morning by 8:30.. If you can't wake up by then, we will ask you to park across the lot. Since people don't take these things serious without penalty, If your car is not moved by 9AM, I will call a tow service and get the car towed at your expense. NVNC is a private lot and early warning is given when signed up, and at the lodge when you check in. Also, if not moved, we will find out who you were and you will be banned for DGRR the following year.

These are just few steps in which we will take so the event goes smoother next year.

Again, I apologize for the way the car show portion went and how the outcome came about...

Phil

Kane · 05-06-2011, 07:56 AM

Sorry, things didn't work out perfectly. Live and Learn!

***Herblenny*** · 05-06-2011, 10:58 AM

You are absolutely RIGHT!! I'm still learning and trying to correct the issue at hand..

Here are all the categories for next year...

Next year's car show categories..

Best of Show
RX-8 - First, 2nd, and 3rd place
3rd Gen RX-7 - First, 2nd, and 3rd place
2nd Gen RX-7 - First, 2nd, and 3rd place
1st gen RX-7 - First, 2nd, and 3rd place
Old School Rotary* - First*, 2nd, and 3rd place
V8 RX-7* - First*, 2nd, and 3rd place
Other Rotary vehicles (including bikes)* - First*, 2nd, and 3rd place
Best Engine Bay
Best Exterior/Paint
Best Interior
Best Stance
Best All Original
Best Track Car
Judges, Vendors, and DGRR volunteers choice award... aka people's choice award.

*If less than 10 cars are signed up Only 1st place will be given* - 10 cars need to sign up 1 month before actual DGRR event starts. This will give enough time for us to make the trophies.

Rotorypolo · 05-06-2011, 12:07 PM

Best RHDs??

Redshft · 05-06-2011, 12:58 PM

Should "Best V8 RX7" be along the lines of "Best conversion" or "best swap" or something more inclusive?
I've seen pictures of RX7s with Toyota 1JZs and 2JZs, Nissan RB26s, SR20s and more. Heck, there is an FB on here with a diesel. Those are just as complicated (probably more so, actually) than the common V8 swap and should be eligible, if one came out.

Also, you could expand the category to go the other way too. For example, we has a Nissan Silvia and a Toyota Corolla with Rotary swaps in them, and they wouldn't fit in otherwise.

To_Slow · 05-06-2011, 02:23 PM

Yea i have noticed by the results in the cars/people that won the show categories, not all but some . Allot of favoring was part of the judging in the car show...

The plan for next years car show judging will be more fair.

***Herblenny*** · 05-06-2011, 02:36 PM

Chip, can you be a judge?? I'm serious!!

Regarding other conversion.. if there is enough cars, signed up, I'll set that up. But if only say 2 cars, its not worth adding a new category.

Next year, the car shows will be taken ALOT more seriously than this year... Point system will help in this manner with less bias. Also, with different categories such as "Best Track Car", "Best Engine", etc.. those of you who might not of won can win..

Again, I'm not going to make everyone happy, but this will come closer and more fair. Hope you guys understand where I'm coming from.

just startn · 05-06-2011, 03:01 PM

Although i did not get to attend DGRR i have seen the photos of some cars that have won. One thing i would highly suggest is:

Body panel fitment: 1-5

I looked at a few photos of a few cars and thought "wow it's win worthy...

To_Slow · 05-06-2011, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herblenny

Chip, can you be a judge?? I'm serious!!

Regarding other conversion.. if there is enough cars, signed up, I'll set that up. But if only say 2 cars, its not worth adding a new category.

Next year, the car shows will be taken ALOT more seriously than this year... Point system will help in this manner with less bias. Also, with different categories such as "Best Track Car", "Best Engine", etc.. those of you who might not of won can win..

Again, I'm not going to make everyone happy, but this will come closer and more fair. Hope you guys understand where I'm coming from.

Yea no problem Phill... i will be more than happy to help out with the judging. At the same time i will be more involved with the event next year.

I will have lots of goodies from chips Motorsports to pass out. I will set up a table/both style parts and services offered from chipsmoto, my gold digger/rx7 will be on display for reference of the work wee can perform here at Chips etc...

Count me in for sure.
Thanks
Chip U

***Herblenny*** · 05-06-2011, 03:11 PM

That would be awesome Chip!! I been dreaming about seeing that car.

I also appreciate vendors being involved in the events too. I think you guys know you stuff and seen many many rotaries.

Anyhow, I appreciate you accepting the role as a judge next year... Now 3-4 more people I need to ask and pick

GorillaRE · 05-06-2011, 03:31 PM

Don't even think about it ;0)

lwnslw · 05-06-2011, 04:11 PM

I will be the first to say that if I can make it to next years DGRR, I will have NO interest or part of the car show. Although I am an avid car show attendee/participate, I plan on spending all my time driving the roads in and around the Dragon.
The 4 to 5 hours I spend cleaning, polishing, shinning etc etc.. can be put to better use driving around in my FD.

This is my personal feeling and decision. It has NOTHING to do with anything or anyone or how things went down.. I made that decision on my drive back home this past Sunday...

Lastly, I think Phil has made a good decision to be better organized. It is a great event on the East Coast and it would be great to have it for years to come..

Joe

87turbo_turtle · 05-06-2011, 06:25 PM

Phil I know from who I talked to no one blamed anyone in particular. Just too much go on while trying get the show together. HUGS!!!

Sephitrask · 05-06-2011, 09:39 PM

Yeah, honestly I didn't go for a show, I drove up from Florida to beat the crap out of my car on some mountain roads

I actually attempted to clean the outside of the car while I was up there, but decided it was a waste of time completely. I am glad you got the event together in the first place, THANK YOU! If there were actual prizes for winning the show, (cash, parts, etc) I might understand people getting upset about rules, execution, whatever, but the only BIG thing was the Modified spread (and I guess THAT is a big deal)

I guess what I am attempting to say in this post is that I would stress on it too much Phil, it seems like for the most part everyone had an amazing experience.

WE3RX7 · 05-06-2011, 10:01 PM

Just wanted to say that I thought the show went smoother this year than last though Phil. I did want to put on record 2gslse's idea for the banquet and have the prize table/announcers in the "center" of the room. This would make it easier for seating and for everybody to hear more clearly.

Good job this year though overall!

05-06-2011, 07:56 AM	#2
Kane All about the O2 Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 295 Rep Power: 17	Sorry, things didn't work out perfectly. Live and Learn! __________________ My 2007 Turbocharged RX8

05-06-2011, 10:58 AM	#3
*Herblenny* Founder/Administrator/Internet Pitbull :) Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 644 Rep Power: 10	You are absolutely RIGHT!! I'm still learning and trying to correct the issue at hand.. Here are all the categories for next year... Next year's car show categories.. Best of Show RX-8 - First, 2nd, and 3rd place 3rd Gen RX-7 - First, 2nd, and 3rd place 2nd Gen RX-7 - First, 2nd, and 3rd place 1st gen RX-7 - First, 2nd, and 3rd place Old School Rotary* - First, 2nd, and 3rd place V8 RX-7 - First, 2nd, and 3rd place Other Rotary vehicles (including bikes) - First, 2nd, and 3rd place Best Engine Bay Best Exterior/Paint Best Interior Best Stance Best All Original Best Track Car Judges, Vendors, and DGRR volunteers choice award... aka people's choice award. If less than 10 cars are signed up Only 1st place will be given* - 10 cars need to sign up 1 month before actual DGRR event starts. This will give enough time for us to make the trophies. __________________ DGRR 2013 - Year of 13B www.DealsGapRotaryRally.com http://www.facebook.com/Herblenny

05-06-2011, 12:07 PM	#4
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05-06-2011, 12:58 PM	#5
Redshft Rotary Fan in Training Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 78 Rep Power: 16	Should "Best V8 RX7" be along the lines of "Best conversion" or "best swap" or something more inclusive? I've seen pictures of RX7s with Toyota 1JZs and 2JZs, Nissan RB26s, SR20s and more. Heck, there is an FB on here with a diesel. Those are just as complicated (probably more so, actually) than the common V8 swap and should be eligible, if one came out. Also, you could expand the category to go the other way too. For example, we has a Nissan Silvia and a Toyota Corolla with Rotary swaps in them, and they wouldn't fit in otherwise. __________________ 2004 RX8 GT 1986 RX7 Track Car: 13B Bridge Port w/ Renesis Internals and Weber Carb 2003 MazdaSpeed Protege 1988 RX7 Convertible - new project 2004 Impreza and 2003 Legacy wagons for hauling groceries and The Dog

05-06-2011, 02:23 PM	#6
To_Slow Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Shelby Twp MI. Posts: 315 Rep Power: 18	Yea i have noticed by the results in the cars/people that won the show categories, not all but some . Allot of favoring was part of the judging in the car show... The plan for next years car show judging will be more fair. __________________ My link

05-06-2011, 02:36 PM	#7
*Herblenny* Founder/Administrator/Internet Pitbull :) Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 644 Rep Power: 10	Chip, can you be a judge?? I'm serious!! Regarding other conversion.. if there is enough cars, signed up, I'll set that up. But if only say 2 cars, its not worth adding a new category. Next year, the car shows will be taken ALOT more seriously than this year... Point system will help in this manner with less bias. Also, with different categories such as "Best Track Car", "Best Engine", etc.. those of you who might not of won can win.. Again, I'm not going to make everyone happy, but this will come closer and more fair. Hope you guys understand where I'm coming from. __________________ DGRR 2013 - Year of 13B www.DealsGapRotaryRally.com http://www.facebook.com/Herblenny

05-06-2011, 03:01 PM	#8
just startn Turbo Vert Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Elyria Posts: 68 Rep Power: 15	Although i did not get to attend DGRR i have seen the photos of some cars that have won. One thing i would highly suggest is: Body panel fitment: 1-5 I looked at a few photos of a few cars and thought "wow it's win worthy...

05-06-2011, 03:11 PM	#10
*Herblenny* Founder/Administrator/Internet Pitbull :) Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 644 Rep Power: 10	That would be awesome Chip!! I been dreaming about seeing that car. I also appreciate vendors being involved in the events too. I think you guys know you stuff and seen many many rotaries. Anyhow, I appreciate you accepting the role as a judge next year... Now 3-4 more people I need to ask and pick __________________ DGRR 2013 - Year of 13B www.DealsGapRotaryRally.com http://www.facebook.com/Herblenny

05-06-2011, 03:31 PM	#11
GorillaRE Outside the "box"...... Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: New Orleans Posts: 123 Rep Power: 18	Don't even think about it ;0) __________________ " Life is full of trials and tribulations, misery is optional." -Mark D. White RIP man, we love you... We specialize in Rotary, Japanese, European and Exotic performance forced induction cars. We also custom build 3/4 multi-rotor engine setups for the street or track. We are the only authorized Fujita Engineering dealer in the USA. Call for authentic FEED parts. Call for ECU tuning. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Gorilla-Race-Engineering/43530496660

05-06-2011, 04:11 PM	#12
lwnslw Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boostville Posts: 193 Rep Power: 18	I will be the first to say that if I can make it to next years DGRR, I will have NO interest or part of the car show. Although I am an avid car show attendee/participate, I plan on spending all my time driving the roads in and around the Dragon. The 4 to 5 hours I spend cleaning, polishing, shinning etc etc.. can be put to better use driving around in my FD. This is my personal feeling and decision. It has NOTHING to do with anything or anyone or how things went down.. I made that decision on my drive back home this past Sunday... Lastly, I think Phil has made a good decision to be better organized. It is a great event on the East Coast and it would be great to have it for years to come.. Joe __________________

05-06-2011, 06:25 PM	#13
87turbo_turtle Rotary Chic Join Date: May 2008 Location: New Holland, SC Posts: 232 Rep Power: 18	Phil I know from who I talked to no one blamed anyone in particular. Just too much go on while trying get the show together. HUGS!!! __________________ Turtle Yes I am a girl and I will kick your butt. Prove yourself.

05-06-2011, 09:39 PM	#14
Sephitrask BOILED PEANUTS!!! Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Jacksonville, Fl Posts: 257 Rep Power: 15	Yeah, honestly I didn't go for a show, I drove up from Florida to beat the crap out of my car on some mountain roads I actually attempted to clean the outside of the car while I was up there, but decided it was a waste of time completely. I am glad you got the event together in the first place, THANK YOU! If there were actual prizes for winning the show, (cash, parts, etc) I might understand people getting upset about rules, execution, whatever, but the only BIG thing was the Modified spread (and I guess THAT is a big deal) I guess what I am attempting to say in this post is that I would stress on it too much Phil, it seems like for the most part everyone had an amazing experience. __________________ www.rotarycarclub.com *"The way a Rotary engine makes power is ferocious, much like having a chainsaw under your right foot."*

05-06-2011, 10:01 PM	#15
WE3RX7 RCC Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: VA Posts: 1,812 Rep Power: 19	Just wanted to say that I thought the show went smoother this year than last though Phil. I did want to put on record 2gslse's idea for the banquet and have the prize table/announcers in the "center" of the room. This would make it easier for seating and for everybody to hear more clearly. Good job this year though overall!