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Old 02-26-2012, 05:09 PM   #1
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engine to tranny pattern is the same. u could probably use the flex plate off the 73 on the 84 but to keep balance u'll need the auto counter weight for the 84.
Be careful here- 1973 was a split year, twice over. I'm assuming you already know that if youhave an early '73 with the top mount starter, nothing will line up with an SA/FB engine rear iron. Even if you have the bottom mount starter on your RX-2, you may still have the early bottom mount starter rear iron, which still would not permit your trans to directly bolt to the SA/FB engine, as those still shared the earlier bolt pattern of the top mount starter engines. Only the very late 1973 cars with the single distributor engines (note I said very late '73) might directly bolt up to the 1st gen engine without trouble. If you have a typical 1973 model, you probably have a dual distributor engine, in which case you need to research the VIN splits to make sure everything will bolt up OK before tearing everything apart.

The engine mounts on the earlier RX-2s and RX-3s are different than the RX-7s, though you should be able to just swap the engine mount bar over from the RX-2 engine onto the RX-7 engine and continue running the RX-2 engine mounts. IIRC, the geometry of the RX-2 front subframe engine mount brackets will not permit the RX-7 engine mount bar and RX-7 engine mounts to be used without altering the angle the engine sits at, nor keep it level side to side. I know there is a way to make it work properly using a mix and match of different pieces, I just don't recall offhand what that combination is.

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Old 02-27-2012, 01:50 AM   #2
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I would put the 5 speed in and get rid of the auto , the last post is exactly right in the split years . the FA manual will fit in the stock tunnel hole and the FB needs to be shortened 103mm .If the twin dizzy is stuck the first gen motor is a better fit .I have 2 73 rx2s and it can pose as a problem ,you need to play with the rx2 and rx7 motor mounts as they are different in the motor set back .Trans mounts are easy to make so that might be a must ,also check your pinion angle (stock) and see what the difference is with the rx7 stuff . you want the angles to match so you don't pre maturely wear your drive shaft bearings.A ll the rx2 to rx7 mods are a pain in the ass but the rx7 stuff is better for the horse power (more solid ) .Even the threads on the brake lines is different . Time and cation is the biggest part of the build .
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Old 02-27-2012, 10:22 AM   #3
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I would put the 5 speed in and get rid of the auto , the last post is exactly right in the split years . the FA
(This should be SA) manual will fit in the stock tunnel hole and the FB needs to be shortened 103mm .If the twin dizzy is stuck the first gen motor is a better fit .I have 2 73 rx2s and it can pose as a problem ,you need to play with the rx2 and rx7 motor mounts as they are different in the motor set back .Trans mounts are easy to make so that might be a must ,also check your pinion angle (stock) and see what the difference is with the rx7 stuff . you want the angles to match so you don't pre maturely wear your drive shaft bearings.A ll the rx2 to rx7 mods are a pain in the ass but the rx7 stuff is better for the horse power (more solid ) .Even the threads on the brake lines is different . Time and cation is the biggest part of the build .
The tranny that he is talking about being a more direct fit is the 79-80 Rx7 one or any pre rx7 manual tranny from 74-78. both posters got their info right. You can change the bell housing on your automatic which will allow it(your tranny and the later engine) to work, it is just a little more effort, it would take the later flexplate and later starter. One thing not mentioned in any of this. You will have to modifiy the transmission tunnel to use a bottom mount starter. This modification is typically done with a sledge hammer because there is no inset for the starter to fit into. Also not mention but will need to be done is the oil pan from your engine must be swapped over to the rx7 one.

there are lots of little ankle biters that can get you on this swap but it has been done frequently with good results, just take you time and think it through
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Old 02-27-2012, 06:20 PM   #4
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I had the 79-80 FA trans in my repu ,the only problem is they are getting harder to find and they cant' handle to much HP. The FB trans are easy to shorten and easy to find ,and the starter is an issue ,no sledge hammer though .I use an air chisel with a planishing hammer attachment (you can find the hammer end at Eastwood on line)and a palm nailer with a carige bolt in it .Its fast and easy with clean results (does not look like you modified the tunnel when your done ).Good luck p.s. they're are so many little things to do it can be hard to get all the info .
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