The Number One Reliability Mod for the Rotary Engine.

[RICE RACING]

There is many different things I could rate as #1 mods before fucking around with this on the internet advice of others.

That's just me though.

Calling this #1 reliability mod is so off base its not even funny, not to make a point Barry but it just is.

Put in a proper cooling system
Put in a proper thermostat
Put in proper drive pulleys
Tune your car right
Run the right parts on a rebuild
Find a legitimate rebuilder (#1 best bit of advice)
Find a rebuilder who has a running car to show what he preaches lol
Run a proper ignition system
Tune the car correctly
If its turbocharged make sure its water injected (absolute #1 reliability mod)
Don't use after market apex seals (#2 reliability mod)
Don't go to BDC for anything (#1 reliability mod)
Don't read anthying written by Howard Coleman (#1 reliability mod)
Use the internet mostly for porn (#1 reliability mod)

I've never had "carbon wings" LOL like I stated, some do, you have to question why???? probably cause they don't do any of the other basics properly???? Mis diagnosis and false conclusions abound........ welcome to forum hypothesis

[t_g_farrell]

+1 on all the stuff Rice just stated.

Heres a pic of the RB solution. I know theres some engineering time behind
this as well.

[Roen]

Originally Posted by t_g_farrell

+1 on all the stuff Rice just stated.

Heres a pic of the RB solution. I know theres some engineering time behind
this as well.

What is the consensus of the effectiveness of this mod?

[Roen]

Originally Posted by RICE RACING

There is many different things I could rate as #1 mods before fucking around with this on the internet advice of others.

That's just me though.

Calling this #1 reliability mod is so off base its not even funny, not to make a point Barry but it just is.

Put in a proper cooling system
Put in a proper thermostat
Put in proper drive pulleys
Tune your car right
Run the right parts on a rebuild
Find a legitimate rebuilder (#1 best bit of advice)
Find a rebuilder who has a running car to show what he preaches lol
Run a proper ignition system
Tune the car correctly
If its turbocharged make sure its water injected (absolute #1 reliability mod)
Don't use after market apex seals (#2 reliability mod)
Don't go to BDC for anything (#1 reliability mod)
Don't read anthying written by Howard Coleman (#1 reliability mod)
Use the internet mostly for porn (#1 reliability mod)

I've never had "carbon wings" LOL like I stated, some do, you have to question why???? probably cause they don't do any of the other basics properly???? Mis diagnosis and false conclusions abound........ welcome to forum hypothesis

Not a fan of the REC Apex Seals?

http://www.rotaryengine.com/products/apexseals.htm

[RETed]

Originally Posted by Roen

Not a fan of the REC Apex Seals?

http://www.rotaryengine.com/products/apexseals.htm

Rick Engman's place?


-Ted

[Roen]

Originally Posted by RETed

Rick Engman's place?


-Ted

Huh?

I only ask because a trusted engine builder raves about them. Those and the Goopy.

[RICE RACING]

Post away Barry.

I am just saying I have never ever had this problem unless its been a motor fitted with after market apex seals, a poor build from an otherwise self proclaimed expert, or a similar shoddy engine calibration to cover up some other thing they did have no experience in or just a flat out wrong opinion.

SAE papers are just that papers, if any of you have worked in a university say where papers are written and submitted 24/7 for funding and status reasons you will see some of them are only really respected by mutual love from other academics lol.

Best for you yourself to go out and prove one thing or another, DO IT YOURSELF as I have been doing for 20 years and you will see that there are many variables involved and let alone fixed variables used that have nothing much to do with reality in most of these "papers"

I'll give you a real world example, if papers are all they are cut out to be then NSU would have conquered the globe with Wankels just like most of their in house papers stated, most papers are put out to spin a positive light on a subject for various reasons (mostly to do with obtaining funding for extra research or to build an empire within an organization) let alone ones that are "sponsored" by certain commercial entities with affiliations with a said organization be it a company or an academic body.....

Moral: Don't believe everything you read, most things are proven in reality. My own reality is that carbon wings is not an issue, but then again I have a running car that makes 600bhp on petrol and water, and is faster than most pretenders lol .......... and its the same engine for 4 years. Others just post shit on the internet and have no running car

[TitaniumTT]

Originally Posted by RETed

Rick Engman's place?


-Ted

Adam Hayward

Originally Posted by Barry Bordes

That is probably more than I have time for. My typing is so slow and it seems to iritate some people when "the secrets" are revealed.

Chuck Westbrook and arghx have a great collection of papers to select from under Chuck's Notes.

I am not sure if it is proper for me to link the papers, but most can be found if titles are supplied.

What are you looking in particular?
The process for cutting perfect sideseals?
Making a cold air filter box?
Pre and post water/meth injection?
Combustion chamber pressure tests?
Two-stroke oil injection conversion with block-off plate?
Port scribing tools?
AFR Corrections Excel program?
Waterpump mods?
Oil pump and passage mods?
Oil pick-up mod?
Boost controller fail-safe off without AI operating wiring diagram?
.....Maybe PM would be best.
Barry

I would like to see the side seal notes......

[RETed]

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

Adam Hayward

Don't know who this guy is.
That website has a lot of missing links.
I'm suspicious.


-Ted

[Barry Bordes]

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

Adam Hayward



I would like to see the side seal notes......

PM'ed the side seal note.
Barry

[Barry Bordes]

Originally Posted by RICE RACING

Post away Barry.

I am just saying I have never ever had this problem unless its been a motor fitted with after market apex seals, a poor build from an otherwise self proclaimed expert, or a similar shoddy engine calibration to cover up some other thing they did have no experience in or just a flat out wrong opinion.

SAE papers are just that papers, if any of you have worked in a university say where papers are written and submitted 24/7 for funding and status reasons you will see some of them are only really respected by mutual love from other academics lol.

Best for you yourself to go out and prove one thing or another, DO IT YOURSELF as I have been doing for 20 years and you will see that there are many variables involved and let alone fixed variables used that have nothing much to do with reality in most of these "papers"

I'll give you a real world example, if papers are all they are cut out to be then NSU would have conquered the globe with Wankels just like most of their in house papers stated, most papers are put out to spin a positive light on a subject for various reasons (mostly to do with obtaining funding for extra research or to build an empire within an organization) let alone ones that are "sponsored" by certain commercial entities with affiliations with a said organization be it a company or an academic body.....

Moral: Don't believe everything you read, most things are proven in reality. My own reality is that carbon wings is not an issue, but then again I have a running car that makes 600bhp on petrol and water, and is faster than most pretenders lol .......... and its the same engine for 4 years. Others just post shit on the internet and have no running car

Peter, Check page C-57, item 3 of the Mazda workshop manual. You know the inspection where the two apex seals are put face to face to check for wear. I don't have to tell you where this wear comes from... it comes from the hump. If you look closely at your excellent pictures of the plug openings you can see that both are polished from being raised.

If you don't like this mod please feel free to ignore completely. I am not in competition with you.

But if you want to compete... you can start by divulging your best secret mod which would help the whole Rotary Community too.
Barry

[RICE RACING]

^ Best Secret?

Tune your car right!

You wont ever have these non existent problems

The apex seals wear on a taper and preferentially due to mis matched product, insufficient hardness, lack of lubrication, & poor tuning. Chopping up your rotor housing is 100% not necessary I have proved that. You just need to know what you are doing when you set up and run your engine.

200bhp or 1200bhp, some people can fuck up anything (BDC or HC) others have no issues.

If there is any secret then its water injection, but I already started a thread on that when you have tested as many apex seals as I have and over the amount of km's at the power levels I have then I will listen to threads like this and opinions like yours, till then most of the advice is crap *honestly*

http://www.riceracing.com.au/apex-seals.htm

(no BS threads about why apex seals break lol) I have run them to a couple of mm wear in height on 600bhp motors (not fiction but fact lol) and never broke a seal or had it preferentially wear or have any carbon wings lol....... its in how much knowledge you have personally.... not what you have collected in toilet papers.

[RETed]

Originally Posted by Barry Bordes

Peter, Check page C-57, item 3 of the Mazda workshop manual. You know the inspection where the two apex seals are put face to face to check for wear. I don't have to tell you where this wear comes from... it comes from the hump. If you look closely at your excellent pictures of the plug openings you can see that both are polished from being raised.

I always thought that the exhaust port dynamics was what cause this kinda wear on the apex seal?


-Ted