Fenda's uber garage Engine Build - Page 15

JL1RX7 · 03-18-2013, 03:51 PM

Levi, with that car nothing is "drop-in" It will take it's ounce of flesh or fist full of money like nobody's business!

Fendamonky · 03-18-2013, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JL1RX7

Levi, with that car nothing is "drop-in" It will take it's ounce of flesh or fist full of money like nobody's business!

Lol, very true! At least I won't need to drive up to Speed1 for it though.

JL1RX7 · 03-18-2013, 05:19 PM

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Here you go Levi. I forgot to past these up for you Sunday.

***TitaniumTT*** · 03-19-2013, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Fendamonky

Fuuuu..... How long ya think I've got before the pump completely craps out? It still pushes 43psi no problem. Think it can wait until the power tune? Or at least be useful for short (15-20 mile) trips while I wait for a new one to arrive?

ok..... We know the pump is bad.... why chance it? I wouldn't drive it until a new pump goes is... but that's me

Second... why are you seeing 43 psi? I set FPSI @ 35 when we got the thing started in January.... did you change the base pressure?

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Originally Posted by Fendamonky

Hmm... thinking about it... you think I should replace my 044 with something different? Since I'll be going inline, and buying a new pump, anyway I might as well... thoughts/suggestions?

The 044 IS an inline pump....

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Originally Posted by RXtacy

There's not enough time to do your swirl pot before DGRR. If you get something that you need a swirl pot for, your car won't make Deals Gap.

Motherfucking that

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Originally Posted by Fendamonky

Yeah, I just found a (lightly) used 044 over on the evil forum. It's getting shipped to me this afternoon. Direct drop-in replacement ftw

Aw shit... if you wanted a lightly used 044, you should've told me, I would've given you mine... Only used for like a month and one dyno.. of course it flows less than a stock TII pump (I flow tested it) Or, I could get you the FuelLab pump I just put in that has like 20 minutes of run time on it..... that one won't pull a prime, or I could scrougne around for the Aeromotive pump that has maybe a few houras on it that won't hold pressure.....

Lightly used.... fuck that noise... flow test that shit before you turn the key.... can't trust anything or anyone.... cavitate these pumps or run them dry and they're garbage....

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Originally Posted by JL1RX7

Levi, with that car nothing is "drop-in" It will take it's ounce of flesh or fist full of money like nobody's business!

Truff....

2gslse · 03-19-2013, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

Or, I could get you the FuelLab pump I just put in that has like 20 minutes of run time on it..... that one won't pull a prime

How noisy was that pump compared to mine?

***TitaniumTT*** · 03-19-2013, 10:11 AM

The same..... I would still like to put a small intank pump in your car keep that fuel lab thing fed and happy.... btw - parts showed today I BELIEVE.... still need to open box...

WE3RX7 · 03-19-2013, 07:13 PM

Its 9AM and the boxes aren't even open... what are you guys? Some kind of government workers sitting around scratching your balls and drinking coffee 7 until 10 only to go to lunch at 11:30, come back around 1 and then hit the gym at 2:30 before you head home? Oh wait....

Fendamonky · 03-19-2013, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

ok..... We know the pump is bad.... why chance it? I wouldn't drive it until a new pump goes is... but that's me

The new pump should be in this weekend. I'm keeping the tank topped up now and I'm only "chancing it" 5-10 miles from home. And because heat cycles

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Originally Posted by Brian

Second... why are you seeing 43 psi? I set FPSI @ 35 when we got the thing started in January.... did you change the base pressure?

It didn't want to idle right at 30psi (we were only seeing about 30psi) that saturday we brought it up. Vlad bumped it up to 40-43psi and it idled happily. I've got no qualms with running it at 35psi, but if it won't idle...

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Originally Posted by Brian

Aw shit... if you wanted a lightly used 044, you should've told me, I would've given you mine... Only used for like a month and one dyno.. of course it flows less than a stock TII pump (I flow tested it) Or, I could get you the FuelLab pump I just put in that has like 20 minutes of run time on it..... that one won't pull a prime, or I could scrougne around for the Aeromotive pump that has maybe a few houras on it that won't hold pressure.....

I'm getting it from silverfdturbo6port on the other forum. He says he ran it inline (with a swirl pot) for a couple hundred miles before deleting it for a dual intank setup that he wants to use for his 20B. It can't be any worse than the one I've got (been in tank for easily over 4 years now).

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Originally Posted by Brian

Lightly used.... fuck that noise... flow test that shit before you turn the key.... can't trust anything or anyone.... cavitate these pumps or run them dry and they're garbage....

How would I flow test it?

He's assured me that it never ran dry, if it turns out otherwise... I'm sure I could work something out.

***TitaniumTT*** · 03-19-2013, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by WE3RX7

Its 9AM and the boxes aren't even open... what are you guys? Some kind of government workers sitting around scratching your balls and drinking coffee 7 until 10 only to go to lunch at 11:30, come back around 1 and then hit the gym at 2:30 before you head home? Oh wait....

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Originally Posted by Fendamonky

The new pump should be in this weekend. I'm keeping the tank topped up now and I'm only "chancing it" 5-10 miles from home. And because heat cycles

It didn't want to idle right at 30psi (we were only seeing about 30psi) that saturday we brought it up. Vlad bumped it up to 40-43psi and it idled happily. I've got no qualms with running it at 35psi, but if it won't idle...

I set it @ 35 base psi in january for a reason... if ya changed it, I wish you had told me, now what was done on saturday morning needs to be redone. There's no reason to run a boosted car @ 42.5 psi or 3bar base fuel pressure, especially with the amount of injector you have.... it just kills pumps quicker. I'm thinking of turning mine down to 30psi base and it will idle somewhere around 22psi and probably drop to ~17psi on hard decel....

Turning it up to 43psi and running 25psi of boost nets ~70psi of rail pressure.... pumps don't flow very well under higher pressures and the Bosch is notorious for cavitating... hell.... that pump could've been what puked 3 engines... just saying... whatever did frag 3 engines was never found.... we just assumed it was PFS and his shitty building and porting and that bullshit PFC and joke of a CDI known as the twin nopower...

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Originally Posted by Fendamonky

I'm getting it from silverfdturbo6port on the other forum. He says he ran it inline (with a swirl pot) for a couple hundred miles before deleting it for a dual intank setup that he wants to use for his 20B. It can't be any worse than the one I've got (been in tank for easily over 4 years now).

I've got a Bosch 044 that was used for probably about the same, maybe less and I guarauntee it's worse....

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Originally Posted by Fendamonky

How would I flow test it?

Take a 5 gallon jerry can go to the gas station
buy 5 gallons of gas
mark where on the tank 5 gallons is
remove return line from fuel tank top and insert into jerry can
Set base pressure to 43.5.... oh wait

jump fuel pump and time how long it takes to pump 5 gallons
MATH
Compare calcs to Bosch specs.
turn up to 72psi and repeat

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Originally Posted by Fendamonky

He's assured me that it never ran dry

Yup... and we have a customer here that bought a used Blitz Dual SBC boost controller and he was assured that it worked just fine.... he boost spiked to well over 30psi on the dyno..... when asked where he got it
scubie forum
why was the guy selling it
becuase it wouldn't control the boost on his subie
but it's a BOOST CONTROLLER
Yeah but something about the subies....
some wierd mystical turbo that only subaru knows how to regulate boost on??!?!?!

Fendamonky · 03-19-2013, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

Take a 5 gallon jerry can go to the gas station
buy 5 gallons of gas
mark where on the tank 5 gallons is
remove return line from fuel tank top and insert into jerry can
Set base pressure to 43.5.... oh wait

jump fuel pump and time how long it takes to pump 5 gallons
MATH
Compare calcs to Bosch specs.
turn up to 72psi and repeat

I'll do that once the pump gets in and let ya know my readings =)

***TitaniumTT*** · 03-20-2013, 07:33 AM

Kewl.... @ 3bar it should flow about 67gph and about 53gph @ 72 psi

Fendamonky · 03-20-2013, 12:14 PM

So it'll flow LESS fuel the higher the pressure is? That's kinda 'tarded... One would hope that it would flow more fuel as it works harder (to a certain extent).

RXtacy · 03-20-2013, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Fendamonky

So it'll flow LESS fuel the higher the pressure is? That's kinda 'tarded... One would hope that it would flow more fuel as it works harder (to a certain extent).

Pressure resists flow

WE3RX7 · 03-20-2013, 02:27 PM

Yup.. thats why you pay the big bucks for good fuel pumps. Or just run two 044s

Fendamonky · 03-20-2013, 04:05 PM

I think I'll be able to make due, with my power goals, by running one 044 inline after a swirl pot. Until I swap ECU's and turn the power up the single, in tank, 044 should suffice (only hoping/expecting 390whp-415whp at wastegate).

03-19-2013, 10:11 AM	#216
*TitaniumTT* Test Whore - Admin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right Behind you son Posts: 4,581 Rep Power: 10	The same..... I would still like to put a small intank pump in your car keep that fuel lab thing fed and happy.... btw - parts showed today I BELIEVE.... still need to open box... __________________ -The Angry Stig- DGRR 2009, 2011, 2012 & 2013 - Best FC DEALS GAP!! WOOHOOOO!!!!! 2015 Audi S4 - Samantha - Zero Brap S4 2004 RX8 - Jocelyn - 196rwhp, 19mpg fuel to noise converter 2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport - Wifey mobile - Now with 2.5" OME lift and 30" BFG AT KO's! So it begins 1998 Jeep Cherokee - 5 spd, 4" lift, 33" BFG's - Rotary Tow Vehicle 1988 'Vert - In progress 1988 FC Coupe - Gretchen -The attention whore BEAST! I'm a sick individual, what's wrong with you? I'm pure Evil I'm still insane, in the best possible way. I think Brian's idea of romance is using lube. Your rage caused the meteor strike in Russia. The Antichrist would be proud of his minion. You win with your thread. Most everything It's a truck with a steel gate on the back. Just a statement of fact Motec M820, AIM dash, ported 13B-RE Cosmo, 6-spd trans, 4.3 Torsen, custom twin wg fully divided mani, Custom 4" split into 2x 3" exhaust, Custom HMIC, Custom custom custom custom I like to welder stuff.... No Bolt-ons allowed. Dyno'ed @ Speed1 Tuned by me - 405rwhp on WG.... WM50 cuming soon. *-Angry Motherfcker Mode ENGAGED-**

03-20-2013, 07:33 AM	#221
*TitaniumTT* Test Whore - Admin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right Behind you son Posts: 4,581 Rep Power: 10	Kewl.... @ 3bar it should flow about 67gph and about 53gph @ 72 psi __________________ -The Angry Stig- DGRR 2009, 2011, 2012 & 2013 - Best FC DEALS GAP!! WOOHOOOO!!!!! 2015 Audi S4 - Samantha - Zero Brap S4 2004 RX8 - Jocelyn - 196rwhp, 19mpg fuel to noise converter 2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport - Wifey mobile - Now with 2.5" OME lift and 30" BFG AT KO's! So it begins 1998 Jeep Cherokee - 5 spd, 4" lift, 33" BFG's - Rotary Tow Vehicle 1988 'Vert - In progress 1988 FC Coupe - Gretchen -The attention whore BEAST! I'm a sick individual, what's wrong with you? I'm pure Evil I'm still insane, in the best possible way. I think Brian's idea of romance is using lube. Your rage caused the meteor strike in Russia. The Antichrist would be proud of his minion. You win with your thread. Most everything It's a truck with a steel gate on the back. Just a statement of fact Motec M820, AIM dash, ported 13B-RE Cosmo, 6-spd trans, 4.3 Torsen, custom twin wg fully divided mani, Custom 4" split into 2x 3" exhaust, Custom HMIC, Custom custom custom custom I like to welder stuff.... No Bolt-ons allowed. Dyno'ed @ Speed1 Tuned by me - 405rwhp on WG.... WM50 cuming soon. *-Angry Motherfcker Mode ENGAGED-**

03-18-2013, 03:51 PM	#211
JL1RX7 Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Front Royal, VA Posts: 487 Rep Power: 18	Levi, with that car nothing is "drop-in" It will take it's ounce of flesh or fist full of money like nobody's business!

03-18-2013, 05:19 PM	#213
JL1RX7 Rotary Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Front Royal, VA Posts: 487 Rep Power: 18	DSC_0052.jpg DSC_0053.jpg DSC_0054.jpg Here you go Levi. I forgot to past these up for you Sunday.

03-19-2013, 07:13 PM	#217
WE3RX7 RCC Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: VA Posts: 1,812 Rep Power: 19	Its 9AM and the boxes aren't even open... what are you guys? Some kind of government workers sitting around scratching your balls and drinking coffee 7 until 10 only to go to lunch at 11:30, come back around 1 and then hit the gym at 2:30 before you head home? Oh wait....

03-20-2013, 02:27 PM	#224
WE3RX7 RCC Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: VA Posts: 1,812 Rep Power: 19	Yup.. thats why you pay the big bucks for good fuel pumps. Or just run two 044s