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Old 06-10-2013, 12:30 AM   #1
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I love your car though! and am rotary through and through, just wanted to share how the R26B went in reality with the might of Mazda Japan providing the engine at no costs spared (the ultimate in NA rotary at the time and still today) am hoping you can beat it with your development, but MANY MANY have tried, no one has ever really got anywhere near it......... couple in Australia have tried and basically went broke trying to develop it.

Seen some over seas with similar concepts and no one has done much with one.

Even if you can it will be still be down about 40% in peak power to a turbo ~2lt 4 cylinder and the durability will be not much better.

I can post up some video's of BMW's turbo (stock BMW production block) run in IMSA in 1986 and it raced at 850bhp and qualified at 1100bhp set speed trap record at Watkins Glenn (208mph) and won that race with ease. Lots of examples in history showing how superior these engines are............ sadly Mazda could never ever match them, be it their attempt to turbo the 13B or later when they fucked all of them off to Racing Beat and went down the 3 rotor then ultimately 4 rotor path......... sadly history has shown it is a shit concept, thus they are not made any more.

I still love them but
And you project is sick as fuck!
Looking forward to what happens and how much power it makes.

Keep up the great work.
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Old 06-10-2013, 01:18 PM   #2
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I still love them but
And you project is sick as fuck!
Looking forward to what happens and how much power it makes.

Keep up the great work.
Come on Rice, I knew you were going to pull up the IMSA toyota stuff. Those engines are not 3s-gte's. Can you show me where I can buy one of these toyota race 4-cly engines at? Or how much it would cost me? Where do I get the parts at? Who is running 700+rwhp out of a production 3s-gte now?

Yes in the 80's and 90's imsa at full tilt was similar to formula one status. Manufacturers were pouring millions of dollars into the race programs. Ford mustang 2.3 4cly was producing 650-700hp too. All of them were.

I'm not a manufacturer but built this 4-rotor as a human. Those race engines you speak of.... I don't know anyone who can buy one!
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I'm not a manufacturer but built this 4-rotor as a human. Those race engines you speak of.... I don't know anyone who can buy one!
this is reason why i love it. you don't have to be farting money and lighting cigars with $100 bills (though it helps). . . you give us normal folk what matters most. Hope

that's what matters most in the rotary world now, since we are relying on each other more than ever with almost no rotary OEM support unless you have names like Speedsource, Dempsey Racing, etc.
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this is reason why i love it. you don't have to be farting money and lighting cigars with $100 bills (though it helps). . . you give us normal folk what matters most. Hope

that's what matters most in the rotary world now, since we are relying on each other more than ever with almost no rotary OEM support unless you have names like Speedsource, Dempsey Racing, etc.
This engine in 1990 would have cost more than any IMSA engine LOL.

It's all time relative.

Not hating just saying is all.... I'll see what power it makes
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Come on Rice, I knew you were going to pull up the IMSA toyota stuff. Those engines are not 3s-gte's. Can you show me where I can buy one of these toyota race 4-cly engines at? Or how much it would cost me? Where do I get the parts at? Who is running 700+rwhp out of a production 3s-gte now?

Yes in the 80's and 90's imsa at full tilt was similar to formula one status. Manufacturers were pouring millions of dollars into the race programs. Ford mustang 2.3 4cly was producing 650-700hp too. All of them were.

I'm not a manufacturer but built this 4-rotor as a human. Those race engines you speak of.... I don't know anyone who can buy one!
Those engines today you can do it with a 4G63 (all off the shelf simple & cheap parts), and about 1/3rd what you have spent and allot simpler.

The point is the same.
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Those engines today you can do it with a 4G63 (all off the shelf simple & cheap parts), and about 1/3rd what you have spent and allot simpler.

The point is the same.
I can build a 4g63 that will make 600-700 wheel AND live at the race track for novice endurance races using only simple & cheap parts???

Guess I need to switch engines then.
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