It looked so simple at first!

[GySgtFrank]

Originally Posted by scarsofcarma

Yeah 1+ G is a benchmark I'm aiming for as well.

It's what I'm shooting for, doesn't mean I'll get it. I'll give it my best shot anyway. I don't know about the feedback issue, you may be right on that. I wonder how much of that is due to the weight of the car though, the FD and especially the Supra aren't exactly lightweights. That's the biggest reason I chose the 1st gen over the FC and FD chassis. (I don't actually hate the other generations, just returning the harassment others have dished out ) The first generation RX-7 was ridiculously light for a street car. I thought about going with a swapped Miata for this reason, but the RX-7 chassis should be stiffer than the convertible chassis and there is very little difference in their weights.

I know the SLA suspension will keep the tire in better contact with the road, providing more ultimate grip. So between the grip factor, and the need for tucking in large rubber, I decided to go this direction. A widebody with an increase in track width would have been more effective, but I want to keep it approximately stock in appearance. I would imagine that a widebody would get a lot of scrutiny from any law enforcement in the area. Between the large rubber and my upgraded brakes I should get pretty decent braking performance as well.

As you said there is a big difference in quality of the road surface between a racetrack and normal street driving though. Race cars can get away with a lot of things that won't work on the street. I'm trying to come as close as I can to that level of performance without losing the ability to drive it regularly.

[scarsofcarma]

Originally Posted by GySgtFrank

It's what I'm shooting for, doesn't mean I'll get it. I'll give it my best shot anyway. I don't know about the feedback issue, you may be right on that. I wonder how much of that is due to the weight of the car though, the FD and especially the Supra aren't exactly lightweights.

Yeah a Supra is a heavy beast but weight is not always bad. A Supra is not a flickable or tossable car but it turns better than you might expect. There are lots of heavy cars that can manage 1+ G. More weight on a tire (to a point) creates a greater coefficient of friction and helps grip. More weight allows for more static grip in the tire, as well as more weight available for weight-transfer in grip driving. But of course, more weight works the tire harder so it wears and possibly overheats faster.

There are many great cars in the world that are heavy but through clever engineering actually make that extra overall curb weight an asset like the GTR.

In the general sense of performance, the ratio of power to weight is more important than the actual power or weight numbers themselves. In the truest sense of performance though, power is king as long as you can find a way to put all that power to the ground. That's what makes cars like the GTR and 911 so impressive.

Originally Posted by GySgtFrank

That's the biggest reason I chose the 1st gen over the FC and FD chassis. (I don't actually hate the other generations, just returning the harassment others have dished out ) The first generation RX-7 was ridiculously light for a street car. I thought about going with a swapped Miata for this reason, but the RX-7 chassis should be stiffer than the convertible chassis and there is very little difference in their weights.

My bridgeported RX3-SP, fully caged with a Ford 8.8" rear end in it was in the 2300 lb range when I corner weighed it. But so what? That car had no traction. When I swapped its engine in my FB (just a street car with a full interior) I was actually able to put the bridgeport power to use. The FB was way faster, but on paper it should have been slower.

Originally Posted by GySgtFrank

As you said there is a big difference in quality of the road surface between a racetrack and normal street driving though. Race cars can get away with a lot of things that won't work on the street. I'm trying to come as close as I can to that level of performance without losing the ability to drive it regularly.

That's exactly my goal as well. I drive sports cars not just for fun, but because I know they can out handle and out brake those other cars with incompetent drivers that cause accidents all the time in urban areas. Or help me dodge the grossly overpopulated deer population in rural mountain areas.

[GySgtFrank]

Originally Posted by scarsofcarma

That's exactly my goal as well. I drive sports cars not just for fun, but because I know they can out handle and out brake those other cars with incompetent drivers that cause accidents all the time in urban areas. Or help me dodge the grossly overpopulated deer population in rural mountain areas.

Funny you should mention deer as a very close encounter is what started me down this path.

A lot of the RX-3s problem is that the stock suspension on those suck. They were designed as an economy commuter car and handling wasn't really in the equation except as an afterthought. The FB didn't weigh all that much more and even the first gens suspension was a vast improvement over the earlier cars. My SA weighed in at 2340 with everything in it and a full tank of fuel before I started modifying it. Hopefully I don't add too much weight to it, but I'm sure I'll add some.