fc3s + Renesis = :)

[Whizbang]

well all the turbo motors arent getting newer. The renesis is still a produced engine so i wont be surprise to see it become more popular with time. Especially in the lighter first gen.

[sen2two]

for me, the Renesis is the best rotary engine to date. Mazda didnt spend all these years and millions developing it to be worse than the previous rotary.

the 6-port Reni makes 236 flywheel. and the 4-port makes 198 i think. this means. in a completely stock N/A form. it makes either more or equal to a TII, with no lag! not to mention better milage, NA is USUALLY more reliable than turbo, no boost spikes, cooler oil, ect. ect.

give it time and when the real pros get to experimenting with the Renesis. everyone will see the true potential of the 13b-MSP.

after a while of having TII 400+ WHP daily drivers. you notice that theres really no such thing. you can call it that. but its really not.

[Phoenix7]

Perhaps.....keep it up and keep us updated. You're right tho, at 400hp I couldn't call them DDs.

[Max777]

Originally Posted by Phoenix7

Perhaps.....keep it up and keep us updated. You're right tho, at 400hp I couldn't call them DDs.

why does the power level matter? rich people daily drive a 599 GTB Ferarri, and that car has 600horsepower. I think that if you can legaly register, insure, and drive the car on the street every day, then it's it's a daily driver.

Last i checked, those were the only prequisites.

To the TS:

Thank you for posting this over here, I knew edit: some people would love to see this swap!

-Max.

[Fidelity101]

Originally Posted by Max777

why does the power level matter? rich people daily drive a 599 GTB Ferarri, and that car has 600horsepower. I think that if you can legaly register, insure, and drive the car on the street every day, then it's it's a daily driver.

Last i checked, those were the only prequisites.

To the TS:

Thank you for posting this over here, I knew edit: some people would love to see this swap!

-Max.

Well because they are rich and they also have upwards of 6.0lt of displacement that is powered by months of development by highly qualified engineers and only a few years old of a car if that. A modified car is a little different, lacks the smoothness of production.

also what if to solve the soft iron portion, you nitride them?

[Fidelity101]

^

definitely, there is always are exceptions to every rule.

Originally Posted by RotaryResurrection

NO gym for home, then who was phone?



The irons are (to my understanding) nitrided from the factory. Still they are very susceptible to cracking under high power (boosted applications or nitrous) and if for some reason the engine develops bad coolant seals, the least little bit of coolant that gets into them and is let to sit for a week or 2 will destroy them.

what?

Okay I didn't know they were factory nitrided but by making the metal stronger it made it more brittle so that is where I can see the cracking possibilities.

[drewski86]

What's the reason for not using the Renesis front cover?

[WE3RX7]

I agree on the MSP being the best production NA engine ever built for street use, but lets not get ahead of ourselves and call it the best rotary

[vex]

Originally Posted by WE3RX7

I agree on the MSP being the best production NA engine ever built for street use, but lets not get ahead of ourselves and call it the best rotary

That would go to the 26B

[My5ABaby]

Originally Posted by WE3RX7

I agree on the MSP being the best production NA engine ever built for street use, but lets not get ahead of ourselves and call it the best rotary

Originally Posted by vex

That would go to the 26B

The 26B would be the best N/A rotary, but not the best production N/A for street use.

[vex]

Originally Posted by My5ABaby

The 26B would be the best N/A rotary, but not the best production N/A for street use.

26B Turbo....:drool:

[sen2two]

the reason im not using the renesis front cover is for ignition. im using the FC CAS. makes it easier. and the reni front cover is hidious. but you can use anyone you like from all 13b's or 12a's. they all fit.

the reni is longer than older 13b's because the front and rear plates are thicker. they did this to make the turn in the port less abrupt for better flow. this making your only choice for oil pan a custom one. not as easy as swapping a GSLSE on there.

i dont count the 26b. it was a race only engine.

now the problem with turbo'ing the reni is the weak apex seals and the high compression. there are shops out there now who machine down the rotors to your desired compression and to fit standard type apex seals. if i had the money to go that far, i would. and i plan to in the future. just not at the moment. they already have the reni making some nice numbers in unported stock form. like i said in an earlier post. wait until the real pros get into the renesis. people will be amazed and records will be broken...

[RETed]

Originally Posted by sen2two

wait until the real pros get into the renesis. people will be amazed and records will be broken...

I highly doubt that.


-Ted

[sen2two]

Originally Posted by RETed

I highly doubt that.


-Ted

im sure thats what other auto makers thought in 92. right before the 787 destroyed them and outlawed the motor...

not arguing. just stating an opinion.

[RETed]

787?
Are you talking about the LeMans winning vehicle?
What does that have to do with the RX-8 MSP engine?
IIRC, the 787 used a 4-rotor, PP engine.

So, I really don't understand your point.
If you think your MSP engine will outdo anything PP (even the older 13B PP exhaust), then I think you're smoking crack.
Please do your research first - SAE is a good start.
http://www.sae.org/
The advantages of the PP port over a side port is thoroughly documented.

The only benefit the MSP has over a PP is the minimizing of the (port timing) overlap.
Less overlap means for better emissions.

Don't let the 200+ quoted hp ratings fool you.
It's more due to the higher redline.

Keep in mind, at BP motor with the "older" PP exhaust will produce the same if not better numbers than the MSP.


-Ted