Moronic Tuning "Advice" WARNING! (Related to RX7Club)

[Evil Aviator]

Originally Posted by RICE RACING

WHAT A TOTAL IDIOT !!!
WONDER WHY BDC HAS SUCH A FOLLOWING WITH TOTAL MORON'S LIKE THIS FLOG POSTING CRAP LIKE THIS!!!!

Well, his screen name is Lawyer and not Engineer. Anyway, I especially like how he says that "water DOES NOT flow like air".

Originally Posted by RICE RACING

I openly blame BDC and HC for brain washing (whatever brains are left) of these types of IDIOTS who frequent that forum, searching for advice! IT NEEDS TO BE SHUT DOWN or at minimum derided at every opportunity so newbies are not scammed into reading their dribble let alone thinking their "advice" is based on any type of reality.

I think they both mean well. As for the idiots who frequent that forum, they are mostly the Generation-Y folks who aren't going to listen to an engineer anyway. They want "proof", whatever that means. I don't even bother posting in the "AI" section because I know that it would be a waste of time. I figure that they will get what is coming to them.

Originally Posted by RICE RACING

There is no such terminology as AI! I have never ever herd of that until those DUMB AND DUMBER CUNTS named HC and BDC started shitting on and on and on and on and on about it and themselves!

AI is Artificial Intelligence, which I suppose could control the injection. Had they any engineering background they would know that "AI" has been called ADI at least since the 1930's. I mentioned this when they were talking about making a sub-forum, but nobody listened to me, as usual. Now I am waiting for a "Turbo-Compounding" sub-forum from the laymen who think that means feeding one turbo into another.

[vex]

Originally Posted by Evil Aviator

Now I am waiting for a "Turbo-Compounding" sub-forum from the laymen who think that means feeding one turbo into another.

I was about to put a foot in my mouth... but why on earth would they switch the two words? Do they not realize that a compound turbo set up is different than a turbo compound setup?

[Judge Ito]

this is generally a good site. If Peter and other members keep making threads like this and disrespecting people in general. this site will also go to hell. Peter I understand we all have our opinions, and so do you. but who gives a fuck about what brian or howard are saying or doing. if people listen and follow that is their choice. and if they will to do so, who the fuck are you or any of us to say any different? to the moderators, don't let this site go to shit with threads like this one peter has started. where is the moderating at?

[RETed]

There's a thread in The Lounge which might better explain the situation...

Now, there's an ADMIN in this thread present, so I will default action to the higher up's at this point.

I've said it before, although I don't condone RICE RACING's words, I do understand his frustation.
This is starting to look like the BDC thread in The Lounge...

And, Mr. Ito, as an option, you're welcome to use the Ignore (member) function (located in the User CP drop down menu at the top of this page) available to every member of this forum to prevent seeing RICE RACING's posts.


-Ted

[TitaniumTT]

Thank you Ted.

There are 2 threads on this ENTIRE site like this.

Personally, I would prefer it if Peter would debunk what hc and bdc are doing by posting his own findings. It's evident that his car can be construed as rolling proof.

We're not going to start censoring people's opinions, we will censor the words and we've been in contact with Peter about his language.

As I said, I would rather this be kept technical, and if the name calling and such continues, the thread will be continued to be cleaned up, and if repeated offenses take place, then we will take more drastic measures such as thread lockings or more than likely deletions and bans.

However, every time in the past that I had debunked or proven those two either wrong or incompetent, my posts were deleted. This does nothing to help the community by censoring my technical knowledge and experience and all it does is offer a biased one sided view. I know of a few people that have gone the bdc route and ended up with cracked plates, sheared apex seals, dropped corner seals whatever. I would rather that not happen on my watch so I will let the other side of the coin speak, as long as it can be done in a mature way. We are on the border in some of the posts though.

Like I said (hint hint) I would rather the posts be more technical in nature explaining why they shouldn't be mimiced rather than, "f*ck those bloody c*nts, they don't know what the f*ck they're talking about." I agree with Ito, that really does noone any good.

[Judge Ito]

Originally Posted by RETed

There's a thread in The Lounge which might better explain the situation...

Now, there's an ADMIN in this thread present, so I will default action to the higher up's at this point.

I've said it before, although I don't condone RICE RACING's words, I do understand his frustation.
This is starting to look like the BDC thread in The Lounge...

And, Mr. Ito, as an option, you're welcome to use the Ignore (member) function (located in the User CP drop down menu at the top of this page) available to every member of this forum to prevent seeing RICE RACING's posts.


-Ted

ted, it's not about ignoring peter/rice, it's about not letting this good site go to shits.

[Judge Ito]

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

Thank you Ted.

There are 2 threads on this ENTIRE site like this.

Personally, I would prefer it if Peter would debunk what hc and bdc are doing by posting his own findings. It's evident that his car can be construed as rolling proof.

We're not going to start censoring people's opinions, we will censor the words and we've been in contact with Peter about his language.

As I said, I would rather this be kept technical, and if the name calling and such continues, the thread will be continued to be cleaned up, and if repeated offenses take place, then we will take more drastic measures such as thread lockings or more than likely deletions and bans.

However, every time in the past that I had debunked or proven those two either wrong or incompetent, my posts were deleted. This does nothing to help the community by censoring my technical knowledge and experience and all it does is offer a biased one sided view. I know of a few people that have gone the bdc route and ended up with cracked plates, sheared apex seals, dropped corner seals whatever. I would rather that not happen on my watch so I will let the other side of the coin speak, as long as it can be done in a mature way. We are on the border in some of the posts though.

Like I said (hint hint) I would rather the posts be more technical in nature explaining why they shouldn't be mimiced rather than, "f*ck those bloody c*nts, they don't know what the f*ck they're talking about." I agree with Ito, that really does noone any good.

yes.. that is all im asking for. keep it technical and clean. this way, we could all learn and not turn this great site up side down. i have tons of valuable information. but i refuse to post it. y? cause i want to see how this site will take it's course. i'm sure many other members feel the same way. by no means i'm not saying peter is a donkey. we just don't need the bullshit from his mouth.

[Evil Aviator]

Originally Posted by vex

I was about to put a foot in my mouth... but why on earth would they switch the two words? Do they not realize that a compound turbo set up is different than a turbo compound setup?

See, this is exactly what RICE RACING is complaining about. The idiots have now confused you by using incorrect, made-up terminology. I would like to point out that the latest iteration of this ignorance made its way from this forum to rx7club.com, so it does work both ways.

When one compressor feeds into another it is called "staging". The setup is usually described in numbers of stages. For example, one compressor feeding into another is called "2-stage", 7 inline compressors are called "7-stage", and so on. Therefore, if you had an engine with one compressor feeding into another, you would describe your setup as a "2-stage turbocharged engine" and you would describe the method as "2-stage turbocharging", or more generically as "staged turbocharging" or simply "staging".

Garrett on staging:
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob...esel_tech.html

Borg Warner's regulated 2-stage turbo system:
http://www.turbos.bwauto.com/products/r2s.aspx
http://www.turbos.bwauto.com/tools/d...nt&r=106&d=107

Garrett TPE331 engine shows the design differences between the high and low compressor stages (painted blue in the cut-away picture). The resulting compression ratio was 8:1.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_AiResearch_TPE-331

Originally Posted by RETed

There's a thread in The Lounge which might better explain the situation...

Where is The Lounge? I haven't seen it in about a year now, so I figured it was deleted.

[vex]

Originally Posted by Evil Aviator

See, this is exactly what RICE RACING is complaining about. The idiots have now confused you by using incorrect, made-up terminology.

When one compressor feeds into another it is called "staging". The setup is usually described in numbers of stages. For example, one compressor feeding into another is called "2-stage", 7 inline compressors are called "7-stage", and so on. Therefore, if you had an engine with one compressor feeding into another, you would describe your setup as a "2-stage turbocharged engine" and you would describe the method as "2-stage turbocharging", or more generically as "staged turbocharging" or simply "staging".

Garrett on staging:
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob...esel_tech.html

Borg Warner's regulated 2-stage turbo system:
http://www.turbos.bwauto.com/products/r2s.aspx
http://www.turbos.bwauto.com/tools/d...nt&r=106&d=107

Garrett TPE331 engine shows the design differences between the high and low compressor stages (painted blue in the cut-away picture). The resulting compression ratio was 8:1.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_AiResearch_TPE-331


Where is The Lounge? I haven't seen it in about a year now, so I figured it was deleted.

To be fair however, even academia refers to the above as compound turbocharging of a system (at least in Marine Engineering--but then again, I take what that professor says with a heavy dose of salt for just about everything that comes out of his mouth).

Scroll all the way to the bottom of the main forum.

[Judge Ito]

Originally Posted by Evil Aviator

See, this is exactly what RICE RACING is complaining about. The idiots have now confused you by using incorrect, made-up terminology.

When one compressor feeds into another it is called "staging". The setup is usually described in numbers of stages. For example, one compressor feeding into another is called "2-stage", 7 inline compressors are called "7-stage", and so on. Therefore, if you had an engine with one compressor feeding into another, you would describe your setup as a "2-stage turbocharged engine" and you would describe the method as "2-stage turbocharging", or more generically as "staged turbocharging" or simply "staging".

Garrett on staging:
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob...esel_tech.html

Borg Warner's regulated 2-stage turbo system:
http://www.turbos.bwauto.com/products/r2s.aspx
http://www.turbos.bwauto.com/tools/d...nt&r=106&d=107

Garrett TPE331 engine shows the design differences between the high and low compressor stages (painted blue in the cut-away picture). The resulting compression ratio was 8:1.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrett_AiResearch_TPE-331


Where is The Lounge? I haven't seen it in about a year now, so I figured it was deleted.

I have a book called auto math. talks about tractor pulling.. tractor was making over 245lbs of boost. 3 turbo's. 1 turbo feeding boost into the second turbo and the second turbo feeding into the 3rd turbo.. 3rd turbo feeding the 245lbs of boost to the diesel engine. they also show a picture of the engine granading into pieces.... insane to say the least..

[Evil Aviator]

Originally Posted by vex

To be fair however, even academia refers to the above as compound turbocharging of a system (at least in Marine Engineering--but then again, I take what that professor says with a heavy dose of salt for just about everything that comes out of his mouth).

It has been called staging for over 100 years now, lol. Maybe your marine professor just liked using redneck terms? I had one who would use redneck terms as a joke.

Originally Posted by vex

Scroll all the way to the bottom of the main forum.

Live Chat and Video? After that I am just seeing forum stats and random album pictures.

Originally Posted by Judge Ito

I have a book called auto math. talks about tractor pulling.. tractor was making over 245lbs of boost. 3 turbo's. 1 turbo feeding boost into the second turbo and the second turbo feeding into the 3rd turbo.. 3rd turbo feeding the 245lbs of boost to the diesel engine. they also show a picture of the engine granading into pieces.... insane to say the least..

Yes, it's insane, especially considering that Buchi was running 71psig back in 1909.

[TitaniumTT]

You need 20 posts to see the lounge. If you'd like, I can alter your post count to see it.

I'm glad Ito and everyone else is on the same page about this. We have edited the title, and change a bunch of the posts to keep it civilized and PG-13. It's the whole censorship thing. I don't like censoring people's opinions, but if it gets out of hand with the language and the insults, then we will.'

As I said, I would REALLY like to see some heavily technical posts debunking those on the other site especially because when it comes to this subject, there are plenty of people much smarter and experienced than I am.

[rx71king]

Originally Posted by Judge Ito

yes.. that is all im asking for. keep it technical and clean. this way, we could all learn and not turn this great site up side down. i have tons of valuable information. but i refuse to post it. y? cause i want to see how this site will take it's course. i'm sure many other members feel the same way. by no means i'm not saying peter is a donkey. we just don't need the bullshit from his mouth.

between all of us we can make this site a greater place to visit....i need to learn new info so i can go to the next level.....let's keep it clean.

[Judge Ito]

Originally Posted by rx71king

between all of us we can make this site a greater place to visit....i need to learn new info so i can go to the next level.....let's keep it clean.

like asking me the timing specs on my nephews turbo II?

[Evil Aviator]

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

You need 20 posts to see the lounge. If you'd like, I can alter your post count to see it.

Dang, you guys changed the forum settings since I first joined this board, lol. Sorry, but I didn't see any such guidance in the FAQ or other area of this forum. I will just post a few more times to get my 20.

Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

As I said, I would REALLY like to see some heavily technical posts debunking those on the other site especially because when it comes to this subject, there are plenty of people much smarter and experienced than I am.

That would require taking on the entire sub-forum, and quite frankly it's not worth spending countless hours on it just to be called a "hater" and probably getting banned in the process. Besides, sooner or later those guys will get a clue, and I look forward to that point in time in which BDC can proudly say that he has successfully reinvented the wheel. I actually like BDC, but I can't help but be amused by his method of education.