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project86 · 05-13-2016, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

I disapprove. All rotaries should be turbo. Especially those with a displacement greater than 1.3L

Lol.... Disapprove away. But I feel pretty good about it at this point. I've not read one bad thing about a NA 3 Rotor set up. All I've read says how much fun they are to drive. But .... we'll see... there is plenty of time for me to change my mind.

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

I've been running the 8 6spd for a while. It hasn't proven itself all that reliable

Thats not a very comforting statement in your pitch for every NA Rotary needing a 8 transmission

As far as the shifting properly goes... are the people who can't do it properly just pulling and pushing WAY too hard during the shift?

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

That's what I plan on doing actually... that's what I did for the most part last time... although I rented the booth and shot it myself. Not sure I wanna do that again though.

Did you rent the booth from a local body shop? How long did you rent the booth for? What did they charge you?

***TitaniumTT*** · 05-13-2016, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by project86

Lol.... Disapprove away. But I feel pretty good about it at this point. I've not read one bad thing about a NA 3 Rotor set up. All I've read says how much fun they are to drive. But .... we'll see... there is plenty of time for me to change my mind.

You can get a small turbo with a big exhaust and properly sized turbine and have the same hp, more torque, and be more fun to drive.... cheaper... in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by project86

Thats not a very comforting statement in your pitch for every NA Rotary needing a 8 transmission

My problems have been all shift assembly related. Having to modify the tailshaft and linkages has proven.... difficult. The last iteration lasted 2 years and now it's pissing fluid everywhere. Not sure why... haven't looked yet. I'll let you know though.

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Originally Posted by project86

As far as the shifting properly goes... are the people who can't do it properly just pulling and pushing WAY too hard during the shift?

Mostly

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Originally Posted by project86

Did you rent the booth from a local body shop? How long did you rent the booth for? What did they charge you?

The owners are friends of the family. Rented it on a saturday, charged me $250 for the 5 hours. Picked the car up on monday morning

djmtsu · 05-13-2016, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

I disapprove. All rotaries should be turbo. Especially those with a displacement greater than 1.3L

Shut up queer. I'm done with turbo rotaries until I win the lotto.

***TitaniumTT*** · 05-13-2016, 11:15 AM

wah wah wah spinny bits are expensive and the gremlins shit out apex seals for no reason, WAHHHHHHHHH

djmtsu · 05-13-2016, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

wah wah wah spinny bits are expensive and the gremlins shit out apex seals for no reason, WAHHHHHHHHH

Hey now.

I didn't shit an apex seal. I annihilated a rotor bearing.

It was tragically impressive.

***TitaniumTT*** · 05-13-2016, 11:33 AM

Turbo can't really be blamed for that

infernosg · 05-13-2016, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

Absolutely correct. Not to mention the 5.11 gears and Hoosiers that put way more strain on a tranny.

How I'd love to have a 5.11:1 final drive ratio. Looks like the highest option other than complete custom for the FC is Mazdatrix's 4.77:1.

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Originally Posted by project86

Even with the 350 hp number in mind? At this point my plan is to do a NA 3 rotor when its time to do the engine swap. Its what i really wanted originally with my old car (or an RE swap but i don't want to deal with turbo now). I guess I shouldn't have been so vague in the beginning with this question. So now its all out there.

Im probably really showing my ignorance now but why would it be a expensive/confusing to just swap a TII transmission in? Seems like that option would be less expensive than buying another trans and then having a shop swap the gears and mod the input shaft?

Oh, I didn't realize you were planning on swapping a 20B. 350 hp in a naturally aspirated 20B is optimistic without sacrificing some drive-ability, but that's another conversation. I still think as long as you're not beating on the car constantly (hard launches, constant high-RPM driving, etc.) the N/A gearbox will be fine. You can always change the fluid more often to be safe.

My comment about the complexity was assuming the stock N/A 13B. To switch to a turbo gearbox you need a turbo clutch and flywheel, starter, and unless you want a custom driveshaft to the stock N/A rear end, the turbo differential as well.

project86 · 05-13-2016, 11:54 AM

For the record i have no qualms with going turbo. I just want to really experience NA for a while. I still see turbo in my future. just not yet.

project86 · 05-13-2016, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by infernosg

Oh, I didn't realize you were planning on swapping a 20B. 350 hp in a naturally aspirated 20B is optimistic without sacrificing some drive-ability, but that's another conversation. I still think as long as you're not beating on the car constantly (hard launches, constant high-RPM driving, etc.) the N/A gearbox will be fine. You can always change the fluid more often to be safe.

I think the 350 number is attainable from what I've been reading lately. I came across a thread on the other forum that a guy did a 3 rotor na build for his FD. The made 345whp. His comments were that the car was just fine on the street drivability wise minus his clutch choice. So i am hopeful.

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Originally Posted by infernosg

My comment about the complexity was assuming the stock N/A 13B. To switch to a turbo gearbox you need a turbo clutch and flywheel, starter, and unless you want a custom driveshaft to the stock N/A rear end, the turbo differential as well.

That makes perfect sense. Im glad to know that that miata gear swap is still on the table.

almoststockfc · 05-13-2016, 02:35 PM

Sooo, please correct me if i'm wrong because i'm confused. You wanted a FD but you said it was too expensive, that is the reasoning behind you purchasing the FC. Now you want to have a NA 20b in your FC........

***TitaniumTT*** · 05-13-2016, 02:55 PM

Smaller chunks of moneies at once.

We did 350 on Gordons 3-rotor, stock port, n/a

Aside from the sound which is orgasmic, there's no bene to a 3 rotor if you're only looking for 350rwhp.

Now 600.... We've done that on pump gas with three rotors.

project86 · 05-13-2016, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by almoststockfc

Sooo, please correct me if i'm wrong because i'm confused. You wanted a FD but you said it was too expensive, that is the reasoning behind you purchasing the FC. Now you want to have a NA 20b in your FC........

no need to be confused. a decent Fd would have cost me 10k on the low side. and then i would have had to dump a bunch of money to make it look nice. My FC cost 3.5K and its in good running condition and the body is straight. the money i saved not buying a FD means money i can use for the FC.

project86 · 05-13-2016, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TitaniumTT

We did 350 on Gordons 3-rotor, stock port, n/a

Speed1 built his? I thought Defined built it? I mean its either a singe turbo RE or a 3 rotor na. Seems like i would run into less annoying things and hang ups with out the turbo.

djmtsu · 05-13-2016, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by project86

Speed1 built his? I thought Defined built it?.

I forget who built it, but it blew up good about 200ft before making it to the Dragon......

Pete_89T2 · 05-13-2016, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by djmtsu

I forget who built it, but it blew up good about 200ft before making it to the Dragon......

Yes it did, that was what, 2 DGRR's ago?

05-13-2016, 11:15 AM	#109
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05-13-2016, 11:33 AM	#111
*TitaniumTT* Test Whore - Admin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right Behind you son Posts: 4,581 Rep Power: 10	Turbo can't really be blamed for that __________________ -The Angry Stig- DGRR 2009, 2011, 2012 & 2013 - Best FC DEALS GAP!! WOOHOOOO!!!!! 2015 Audi S4 - Samantha - Zero Brap S4 2004 RX8 - Jocelyn - 196rwhp, 19mpg fuel to noise converter 2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport - Wifey mobile - Now with 2.5" OME lift and 30" BFG AT KO's! So it begins 1998 Jeep Cherokee - 5 spd, 4" lift, 33" BFG's - Rotary Tow Vehicle 1988 'Vert - In progress 1988 FC Coupe - Gretchen -The attention whore BEAST! I'm a sick individual, what's wrong with you? I'm pure Evil I'm still insane, in the best possible way. I think Brian's idea of romance is using lube. Your rage caused the meteor strike in Russia. The Antichrist would be proud of his minion. You win with your thread. Most everything It's a truck with a steel gate on the back. Just a statement of fact Motec M820, AIM dash, ported 13B-RE Cosmo, 6-spd trans, 4.3 Torsen, custom twin wg fully divided mani, Custom 4" split into 2x 3" exhaust, Custom HMIC, Custom custom custom custom I like to welder stuff.... No Bolt-ons allowed. Dyno'ed @ Speed1 Tuned by me - 405rwhp on WG.... WM50 cuming soon. *-Angry Motherfcker Mode ENGAGED-**

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05-13-2016, 02:55 PM	#116
*TitaniumTT* Test Whore - Admin Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Right Behind you son Posts: 4,581 Rep Power: 10	Smaller chunks of moneies at once. We did 350 on Gordons 3-rotor, stock port, n/a Aside from the sound which is orgasmic, there's no bene to a 3 rotor if you're only looking for 350rwhp. Now 600.... We've done that on pump gas with three rotors. __________________ -The Angry Stig- DGRR 2009, 2011, 2012 & 2013 - Best FC DEALS GAP!! WOOHOOOO!!!!! 2015 Audi S4 - Samantha - Zero Brap S4 2004 RX8 - Jocelyn - 196rwhp, 19mpg fuel to noise converter 2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport - Wifey mobile - Now with 2.5" OME lift and 30" BFG AT KO's! So it begins 1998 Jeep Cherokee - 5 spd, 4" lift, 33" BFG's - Rotary Tow Vehicle 1988 'Vert - In progress 1988 FC Coupe - Gretchen -The attention whore BEAST! I'm a sick individual, what's wrong with you? I'm pure Evil I'm still insane, in the best possible way. I think Brian's idea of romance is using lube. Your rage caused the meteor strike in Russia. The Antichrist would be proud of his minion. You win with your thread. Most everything It's a truck with a steel gate on the back. Just a statement of fact Motec M820, AIM dash, ported 13B-RE Cosmo, 6-spd trans, 4.3 Torsen, custom twin wg fully divided mani, Custom 4" split into 2x 3" exhaust, Custom HMIC, Custom custom custom custom I like to welder stuff.... No Bolt-ons allowed. Dyno'ed @ Speed1 Tuned by me - 405rwhp on WG.... WM50 cuming soon. *-Angry Motherfcker Mode ENGAGED-**