1982 GS! - Its Getting Close!!! - Page 8

Whizbang · 09-23-2009, 07:43 PM

Idler fiasco has been resolved!!!

Just need to roll the fenders (temp fix til i get the fender flares put on). Probably could stand an alignment....

Whizbang · 10-07-2009, 04:56 PM

Got the video up of its first legitamite drive. Still could stand quite a bit of tuning buts its a nice start. Lots of work to do still. Probably going to step the exhaust down from 3" to 2.5" for better clearance when i lower it a bit. Still need to finish the fender flares too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDUVjjoRZTQ

Whizbang · 10-31-2009, 02:47 PM

bought one of those netbook things so i can be able to do all of my tuning. the old laptop was no longer portable thanks to a cook battery, among other things. Plus i like the small size of this lap top. Already got the MS software downloaded. Hoping to figure out how to work the datalogging software.

Additionally, i have some plans once the car is out in Idaho with me. For starters the fender flares are getting done because the tires like to contact the wheels. Once that is completed i can go further with the suspension and remake the exhaust to a 2.5" instead of the 3" it has currently

Engine wise, the alternator is going back to its oem location. The side mount thing just isnt working out since i cant use the dual belts. May also start the process of running the CAS so i have ignition control. Since the alt movement may require some re-routing of wiring, ill probably run the CAS wires will im doing it.

NoDOHC · 10-31-2009, 11:58 PM

So you are home for a little while?

If you have a wideband on the car, peak power should be easy 13.0:1 - 13.4:1 AFR and 30-38 BTDC ignition (depending on CR). It would be awesome if you could find a dyno and get some power numbers.

Whizbang · 11-01-2009, 11:57 AM

i still have to get a wideband so it can be tuned properly as well (yet another thing to buy). Currently its being worked of a regular single wire o2.

i really do think having the ignition control would go a long way since i really have none at the moment. Would surely help the idle and get rid of any remaining breakup the car likes to have.

Whizbang · 11-01-2009, 12:10 PM

and in other news ill be needing a replacement clutch sooner than i thought. Wife reported it slipping mid jackassery. Was just an oem-ish replacement from exedy so im not surprised it didnt take well to what they were trying to do. Kinda salty they did becuase i dont want to have to do replacing shit i just got but since the transmission needs replaced anyway (bad reverse) might as well do it all in one sitting.

probably just get what i wanted to get in the first place. Get myself an aftermarket flywheel and a counterweight as well. What i have ALSO thought about doing was the T5 adapter stuff so i get a better gear ratio selection and a loose the weakness of the type M transmission.,

Whizbang · 11-01-2009, 12:39 PM

alright, here is the currently planning pending on the reply from Kennedy Engineering:

Use the Kennedy engineering T5 adapter kit. This will allow me to run the 74+ 6" long removable bell housings. ill have to verify if any of the later turbo transmissions bell housings will work or if i have to find myself an older rx4 bell housings or similar and rock a top mount starter.

This will couple a Borg Warner T5 which is common as dirt and allows me to find whatever gear ratios i want really.

Now for the engine end of things, a mazda flywheel and pressure plate are used but the clutch must be a ford spline. Now, what i am going to try and find is a vendor for the Guru flywheel that uses the 5.5" clutches. Would be an easy adaption since those clutchs can come in a ford spline. The only concern is the wear rate on them. otherwise, the OS Giken twin disk, flywheel setup can be found with the ford spline as well if i recall correctly ( 1/16" 10 spline).

but that should pretty much be a permanent solution and give me quite a bit of adjustably.

NoDOHC · 11-01-2009, 01:51 PM

You know, I had trouble with an OEMish (actually called a stage 2) F1 Racing clutch.

I am only making 200 Lb-Ft of torque (although with cold ignition coils, I think I make closer to 220 lb-ft) and it was rated to 230 lb-ft. I think that some of the clutches are just cheap or the manufacturers has poor quality control.

EDIT: I have a SPEC clutch (stage 3+) that I really like. I would recommend them highly.

Whizbang · 11-01-2009, 01:55 PM

i guess it means the engine is making SOME power at least. I tried to keep the overall diameter of the tire/wheel the same as a GSLSE. Its only slightly taller, like maybe 1/4" so i dont think its due to resistance. Probably as you said, low quality. Wasnt meant to take abuse.

but if i get this driveline setup how i want, ill really need to start building an engine deserving of such amenities.

Whizbang · 11-11-2009, 12:41 AM

i also think i have settled on the engine to get built.... enjoyment to come

Silver86 · 11-12-2009, 05:17 PM

i really like your setup... similar to what i had in mind with my car.

NoDOHC · 11-12-2009, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gravity Fed

i also think i have settled on the engine to get built.... enjoyment to come

Do tell....

Whizbang · 11-12-2009, 11:24 PM

well for starters, i love my na engines. Not sure why. They wont usually be the fastest, but i still love em.

secondly, i have enough rotor housings that i can experiment with homemade peripheral ports. Im pretty sure i can use my itbs without issue. i will just size the ports accordingly (400cfm flow per port)

I helped Peejay with his PP before and i love em. So that is the route i want to go. Ill end up building a more better version of my PP for the rally build as well.

Whizbang · 11-13-2009, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver86

i really like your setup... similar to what i had in mind with my car.

thank you, sir! Should get better over the coming months as well.

Whizbang · 11-13-2009, 01:33 PM

i think i found my bell housing and my initial T5. The stock ford T5 gear ratios aren't the best but i am just going to using it "for now". I hope to figure out what can be done with the stock ratios (mixing and matching) or worse case, ill save and spring for a Richmond Gear Road Race 5speed in the gear ratios i want. I wouldnt have an overdrive (5th is 1.00) but that isnt that big a deal to me.

09-23-2009, 07:43 PM	#106
Whizbang Respecognize! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp Posts: 3,190 Rep Power: 20	Idler fiasco has been resolved!!! Just need to roll the fenders (temp fix til i get the fender flares put on). Probably could stand an alignment.... __________________ For current updates and event coverage check out Follow on Twitter! @WhizbangRally Whizbang Rally's Webpage \| Facebook

10-07-2009, 04:56 PM	#107
Whizbang Respecognize! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp Posts: 3,190 Rep Power: 20	Got the video up of its first legitamite drive. Still could stand quite a bit of tuning buts its a nice start. Lots of work to do still. Probably going to step the exhaust down from 3" to 2.5" for better clearance when i lower it a bit. Still need to finish the fender flares too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDUVjjoRZTQ __________________ For current updates and event coverage check out Follow on Twitter! @WhizbangRally Whizbang Rally's Webpage \| Facebook

10-31-2009, 02:47 PM	#108
Whizbang Respecognize! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp Posts: 3,190 Rep Power: 20	bought one of those netbook things so i can be able to do all of my tuning. the old laptop was no longer portable thanks to a cook battery, among other things. Plus i like the small size of this lap top. Already got the MS software downloaded. Hoping to figure out how to work the datalogging software. Additionally, i have some plans once the car is out in Idaho with me. For starters the fender flares are getting done because the tires like to contact the wheels. Once that is completed i can go further with the suspension and remake the exhaust to a 2.5" instead of the 3" it has currently Engine wise, the alternator is going back to its oem location. The side mount thing just isnt working out since i cant use the dual belts. May also start the process of running the CAS so i have ignition control. Since the alt movement may require some re-routing of wiring, ill probably run the CAS wires will im doing it. __________________ For current updates and event coverage check out Follow on Twitter! @WhizbangRally Whizbang Rally's Webpage \| Facebook

10-31-2009, 11:58 PM	#109
NoDOHC The quest for more torque Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sheboygan, Wisconsin Posts: 855 Rep Power: 17	So you are home for a little while? If you have a wideband on the car, peak power should be easy 13.0:1 - 13.4:1 AFR and 30-38 BTDC ignition (depending on CR). It would be awesome if you could find a dyno and get some power numbers. __________________ 1986 GXL ('87 4-port NA - Haltech E8, LS2 Coils. Defined Autoworks Headers, Dual 2.5" Exhaust (Dual Superflow, dBX mufflers) 1991 Coupe (KYB AGX Shocks, Eibach lowering springs, RB exhaust, Stock and Automatic)

11-01-2009, 11:57 AM	#110
Whizbang Respecognize! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp Posts: 3,190 Rep Power: 20	i still have to get a wideband so it can be tuned properly as well (yet another thing to buy). Currently its being worked of a regular single wire o2. i really do think having the ignition control would go a long way since i really have none at the moment. Would surely help the idle and get rid of any remaining breakup the car likes to have. __________________ For current updates and event coverage check out Follow on Twitter! @WhizbangRally Whizbang Rally's Webpage \| Facebook

11-01-2009, 12:10 PM	#111
Whizbang Respecognize! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp Posts: 3,190 Rep Power: 20	and in other news ill be needing a replacement clutch sooner than i thought. Wife reported it slipping mid jackassery. Was just an oem-ish replacement from exedy so im not surprised it didnt take well to what they were trying to do. Kinda salty they did becuase i dont want to have to do replacing shit i just got but since the transmission needs replaced anyway (bad reverse) might as well do it all in one sitting. probably just get what i wanted to get in the first place. Get myself an aftermarket flywheel and a counterweight as well. What i have ALSO thought about doing was the T5 adapter stuff so i get a better gear ratio selection and a loose the weakness of the type M transmission., __________________ For current updates and event coverage check out Follow on Twitter! @WhizbangRally Whizbang Rally's Webpage \| Facebook

11-01-2009, 12:39 PM	#112
Whizbang Respecognize! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp Posts: 3,190 Rep Power: 20	alright, here is the currently planning pending on the reply from Kennedy Engineering: Use the Kennedy engineering T5 adapter kit. This will allow me to run the 74+ 6" long removable bell housings. ill have to verify if any of the later turbo transmissions bell housings will work or if i have to find myself an older rx4 bell housings or similar and rock a top mount starter. This will couple a Borg Warner T5 which is common as dirt and allows me to find whatever gear ratios i want really. Now for the engine end of things, a mazda flywheel and pressure plate are used but the clutch must be a ford spline. Now, what i am going to try and find is a vendor for the Guru flywheel that uses the 5.5" clutches. Would be an easy adaption since those clutchs can come in a ford spline. The only concern is the wear rate on them. otherwise, the OS Giken twin disk, flywheel setup can be found with the ford spline as well if i recall correctly ( 1/16" 10 spline). but that should pretty much be a permanent solution and give me quite a bit of adjustably. __________________ For current updates and event coverage check out Follow on Twitter! @WhizbangRally Whizbang Rally's Webpage \| Facebook

11-01-2009, 01:51 PM	#113
NoDOHC The quest for more torque Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sheboygan, Wisconsin Posts: 855 Rep Power: 17	You know, I had trouble with an OEMish (actually called a stage 2) F1 Racing clutch. I am only making 200 Lb-Ft of torque (although with cold ignition coils, I think I make closer to 220 lb-ft) and it was rated to 230 lb-ft. I think that some of the clutches are just cheap or the manufacturers has poor quality control. EDIT: I have a SPEC clutch (stage 3+) that I really like. I would recommend them highly. __________________ 1986 GXL ('87 4-port NA - Haltech E8, LS2 Coils. Defined Autoworks Headers, Dual 2.5" Exhaust (Dual Superflow, dBX mufflers) 1991 Coupe (KYB AGX Shocks, Eibach lowering springs, RB exhaust, Stock and Automatic) Last edited by NoDOHC; 11-01-2009 at 01:54 PM.

11-01-2009, 01:55 PM	#114
Whizbang Respecognize! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp Posts: 3,190 Rep Power: 20	i guess it means the engine is making SOME power at least. I tried to keep the overall diameter of the tire/wheel the same as a GSLSE. Its only slightly taller, like maybe 1/4" so i dont think its due to resistance. Probably as you said, low quality. Wasnt meant to take abuse. but if i get this driveline setup how i want, ill really need to start building an engine deserving of such amenities. __________________ For current updates and event coverage check out Follow on Twitter! @WhizbangRally Whizbang Rally's Webpage \| Facebook

11-11-2009, 12:41 AM	#115
Whizbang Respecognize! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp Posts: 3,190 Rep Power: 20	i also think i have settled on the engine to get built.... enjoyment to come __________________ For current updates and event coverage check out Follow on Twitter! @WhizbangRally Whizbang Rally's Webpage \| Facebook

11-12-2009, 05:17 PM	#116
Silver86 now what? Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 178 Rep Power: 16	i really like your setup... similar to what i had in mind with my car. __________________ 1986 Rx7 coupe - arctic silver - sold aka - 20bforme

11-12-2009, 11:24 PM	#118
Whizbang Respecognize! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp Posts: 3,190 Rep Power: 20	well for starters, i love my na engines. Not sure why. They wont usually be the fastest, but i still love em. secondly, i have enough rotor housings that i can experiment with homemade peripheral ports. Im pretty sure i can use my itbs without issue. i will just size the ports accordingly (400cfm flow per port) I helped Peejay with his PP before and i love em. So that is the route i want to go. Ill end up building a more better version of my PP for the rally build as well. __________________ For current updates and event coverage check out Follow on Twitter! @WhizbangRally Whizbang Rally's Webpage \| Facebook

11-13-2009, 01:33 PM	#120
Whizbang Respecognize! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp Posts: 3,190 Rep Power: 20	i think i found my bell housing and my initial T5. The stock ford T5 gear ratios aren't the best but i am just going to using it "for now". I hope to figure out what can be done with the stock ratios (mixing and matching) or worse case, ill save and spring for a Richmond Gear Road Race 5speed in the gear ratios i want. I wouldnt have an overdrive (5th is 1.00) but that isnt that big a deal to me. __________________ For current updates and event coverage check out Follow on Twitter! @WhizbangRally Whizbang Rally's Webpage \| Facebook